Los Angeles might be boycotting in the dark.

Zombie Acorn

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mkrishnan

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This whole thing is a pissing contest by two reprehensibly irresponsible states, but for the sake of argument, legally, don't electricity regulatory structures prevent an electricity company from just "shutting off" paying customers for political reasons? I'm not sure on the legislation, but that kind of retaliation doesn't sound legal to me, anyways.
 

Zombie Acorn

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This whole thing is a pissing contest by two reprehensibly irresponsible states, but for the sake of argument, legally, don't electricity regulatory structures prevent an electricity company from just "shutting off" paying customers for political reasons? I'm not sure on the legislation, but that kind of retaliation doesn't sound legal to me, anyways.
Arizona likely isn't selling to direct consumers so I doubt they would have any legal responsibility, if this did happen I imagine Los Angeles would need to find alternate source of energy which is going to cost $$$.
 

barkomatic

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I'd like to see this actually happen. The consequences to this guy, the utility company and Arizona as a whole would be severe. Suddenly cutting a portion of the power to a major American city is not looked upon lightly by the federal government.
 

leekohler

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I'd like to see this actually happen. The consequences to this guy, the utility company and Arizona as a whole would be severe. Suddenly cutting a portion of the power to a major American city is not looked upon lightly by the federal government.
Is it just me, or has Arizona just become completely unhinged? It's as if the entire state has lost it's mind lately.

And yeah, that would be interesting to see indeed.
 

hulugu

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Is it just me, or has Arizona just become completely unhinged? It's as if the entire state has lost it's mind lately.
I think Colorado has been spiking the water with LSD.


Actually, Arizona's an interesting state because it's a both rapidly conservative and moderately liberal state. In 2008, Pima, Santa Cruz, Coconino, and Apache counties voted for President Obama, the rest of the state voted for McCain.

Additionally, although both Senators are Republican, we have five Democrats in the House and three Republicans.
 

RawBert

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No they don't. I doubt they could legally get away with it.
I hope you're right.
And yes, they are crazy.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd be willing to pay a higher electric bill, just to show my support for the boycott. But the reality is that many, many others will not go for that. Even if they disapprove of what Arizona's doing.
 

Hmac

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I'd be willing to buy some electricity from Arizona just to show my sympathy for their illegal immigration problem that the Federal govt refuses to address.

To foster ignoring the law for the sake of politics...what a bunch of spineless d-bags we have in Washington.
 

fivepoint

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Is it just me, or has Arizona just become completely unhinged? It's as if the entire state has lost it's mind lately.

And yeah, that would be interesting to see indeed.
It's not just you, Lee... but you're definitely in the minority. Enforcing the law (especially laws with a strong history and a founding in national security) is not something which is normally considered to be "completely unhinged".

78% of Americans believe the U.S. should be doing more to stop illegal immigration. 64% of Americans support the Arizona Legislation, even though they admit it will have disproportionate effects on certain ethnic/racial groups (obviously).

According to a CBS/New York Times poll, 65 percent of Americans see illegal immigration as a "very serious problem," 74 percent think it weakens the economy, and 78 percent believe the U.S. should be doing more to stop it. These beliefs help explain why 51 percent of the people think that the new Arizona law is "about right," versus only 36 percent who say it "goes too far." They reach this conclusion despite the fact that 72 percent think it will have disproportionate effects on certain racial and ethnic groups and 78 percent believe it will burden police departments. The NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds the same thing: 64 percent of respondents support the Arizona legislation (46 percent strongly) despite the fact that 66 percent believe that it will lead to discrimination against Latino immigrants who are in this country legally.
 

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Tell Arizona that if it pulls the plug we'll let BP drill for oil in their state.

That'll teach them.
 

Rodimus Prime

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I'd like to see this actually happen. The consequences to this guy, the utility company and Arizona as a whole would be severe. Suddenly cutting a portion of the power to a major American city is not looked upon lightly by the federal government.
They would not cut power to speak but instead cause power rates in the area to spike very high LA would have to go elsewhere to find the missing 25% of the market. Supply is reduced while demand stays the same. This means that cost will go up and my guess is quite a bit.

The boycott goes both ways and cutting them off on something CA is in high need of hurts. CA has been hurting themselves for years because all the laws they make is very difficult for new power planets to be built in the state. This means most of it comes from out of state and if they piss off enough they will REALLY be hurting for power.
 

Liquorpuki

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Here are the facts

LA has partial ownership of a coal plant in Arizona called Navajo Power Plant

It has a legally binding contract to get power from this plant until 2019. That means if Arizona decided to cut off electricity to LA, it would be illegally breaking a contract and would get sued up the ass.

So this Pierce guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's trying to assert leverage on LA that Arizona doesn't have, legally or otherwise.

I work in utilities so if anyone has questions, just ask.
 

Zombie Acorn

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Here are the facts

LA has partial ownership of a coal plant in Arizona called Navajo Power Plant

It has a legally binding contract to get power from this plant until 2019. That means if Arizona decided to cut off electricity to LA, it would be illegally breaking a contract and would get sued up the ass.

So this Pierce guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's trying to assert leverage on LA that Arizona doesn't have, legally or otherwise.

I work in utilities so if anyone has questions, just ask.
I have a question, does that 25% consumption all come from this one Navajo Power Plant?

As for AZ becoming unhinged, the reciprocal nature of boycotts and trade barriers is well known the world around. I don't know why this is a surprise.
 

RawBert

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Here are the facts

LA has partial ownership of a coal plant in Arizona called Navajo Power Plant

It has a legally binding contract to get power from this plant until 2019. That means if Arizona decided to cut off electricity to LA, it would be illegally breaking a contract and would get sued up the ass.

So this Pierce guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's trying to assert leverage on LA that Arizona doesn't have, legally or otherwise.

I work in utilities so if anyone has questions, just ask.
Sweeeet! We win! Ok, maybe not yet, but score 1 more for LA.:cool:
 

Mac N Tosh

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Here are the facts

LA has partial ownership of a coal plant in Arizona called Navajo Power Plant

It has a legally binding contract to get power from this plant until 2019. That means if Arizona decided to cut off electricity to LA, it would be illegally breaking a contract and would get sued up the ass.

So this Pierce guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's trying to assert leverage on LA that Arizona doesn't have, legally or otherwise.

I work in utilities so if anyone has questions, just ask.

It isnt the deed, it was the remark...and it worked....The new "civil" Civil War has begun.....California should be at least cognizant that the majority of Americans approve of the legislation and a national boycott of California would be devastating to an already devastated budget...
 

Liquorpuki

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I have a question, does that 25% consumption all come from this one Navajo Power Plant?
I don't think it's as high as 25% but it's still significant enough that if something happened to the plant, homes in LA would get blackouts and refineries would shut down. Coal plants are a cheap controllable source of power so when they're in a utility's energy portfolio, they typically provide a big chunk of that utility's base load power.
 

leekohler

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It isnt the deed, it was the remark...and it worked....The new "civil" Civil War has begun.....California should be at least cognizant that the majority of Americans approve of the legislation and a national boycott of California would be devastating to an already devastated budget...
Just because people approve of it does not mean it's right.
 

chrmjenkins

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It's not just you, Lee... but you're definitely in the minority. Enforcing the law (especially laws with a strong history and a founding in national security) is not something which is normally considered to be "completely unhinged".

78% of Americans believe the U.S. should be doing more to stop illegal immigration. 64% of Americans support the Arizona Legislation, even though they admit it will have disproportionate effects on certain ethnic/racial groups (obviously).
That's fantastic. So we're basically saying we're willing to discriminate if we think it affects our pocketbooks. Very encouraging news for social progress.