Lost my job today

Discussion in 'Community' started by MacDawg, Dec 8, 2004.

  1. MacDawg macrumors Core


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    Lost my job today. :(
    The nature of the beast in the airline industry.

    My job was eliminated, but fortunately I had 'roll back' rights.
    So, I am able to leave my Project Manager job and head for the "front line" again, from whence I came once upon a time.

    I was told to report to the "ramp" as a baggage handler on Monday or I could leave the company. My boss's boss wasn't so lucky. He had 28 years with the company and was age 50. They took his ID and said have a nice life. Right now it is a blood bath, and it all came down after 4:00 p.m., so I haven't heard about all my 'buddies' and where they fell on the sword. Some were out of town.

    So, its back out into the cold in the winter, the rain in the fall and spring, and the blazing sun in the summer to stack luggage (we just call them bags) in the belly of an airplane. Rotating days off, working on holidays, probably evening shift. I'm not too good for the work, but I am getting too old to do this. :eek:

    How about the rest of you?
    Anybody else lost their job lately?
    I feel for you... and my heart goes out to you.

    I'll be spending a lot less time with y'all now.
    I'll have to work a lot of overtime to make up for the 45% pay cut I'll be taking. It will mean 12 hour days and working one of my off days, as long as the work if available. If not, it will mean a real second job.

    I'll have to say goodbye to my 2002 Ford F-150, the first decent vehicle I've had in ages. Just got it last year when I got a promotion and took my '85 Subaru to the junk yard for $25.

    Anyways... Merry Christmas to all!

    Whimper, Whimper - Dawg
  2. chanoc macrumors 6502


    May 20, 2003
    Anchorage, Alaska USA
    Sounds like the typical sceen in America today, middle-class being forced into poverty. Post your bosses' emails and they will be SPAMed with porn, and maybe they will get the boot. :D

    I am without work too. For the last two months I have been applying at every freaking job I can think of. I have even put is at restarants to wash dishes. Not one of the 22 restaurants I applied with has responded by phone, fax or email. An employment specialist with the state told me that my college education, Wed design, and intelligence was scaring off the restaurant owners who felt intimidated by my education. :rolleyes:

    They told me to not attach a resume and not mention education beyond the 8th grade. :rolleyes:

    The Starvation Army told me that they were not paying their Bell Ringers this year, so that was not an easy option.

    No Web jobs except .Net, ASP, IIS, Java, C#; Two openings for Web Developers, but no entry - intermediate Web designers.

    I am going to apply at a taxi dispatch with an 8 - 10 an hour wage, this should be interesting.

    On the bright side, my friend has offered to pay for 3-6 credits of online classes with The University of Alaska Southeast so I can finish a certificate in M$ Office and take the computer math class (covers binary, decimal, logic, database math, hexadecimal, etc). Hopefully with the certificate in MS Office that will get me a mundane job as an admin assistant, typing in Word and doing some Excel and data entry.

    Best of luck to you my friend! :)
  3. MacDawg thread starter macrumors Core


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    That's why I feel fortunate to have a job at all, even though it is around $10/hr. Seven years ago I was in your position. I was 42, with a Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate and couldn't get a job in a warehouse or doing anything. Nobody would talk to me, but would interview and hire kids just out of HS.

    My brother-in-law got me a job at the airline, stacking bags for $9, and I eventually moved up to the training department and then into Project Management.

    Alas, I have come full circle, but I am grateful to have a job to report to on Monday. And, I have gotten my son through college and he will get his Master's in May. My daughter finishes her Bachelor's in May too, so I don't have that to worry about.

    I am really blessed... no doubt.
    I have my health (though I'm overweight... but that won't last long now)
    I have my kids through college (almost)
    I don't have any debt but my house (12 more yrs) once I sell my truck.

    Best of luck to you during this holiday season my friend.
    My thoughts and prayers will be with you.

    Woof, Woof (tail tucked between my legs though)- Dawg
  4. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    It sort of sucks the way these companies time the reductions if force, it's the holiday.

    But Wallstreet keeps rewarding this behavior.

    Sucks when it's either, can't hire enough one year, and can't fire enough the next.
  5. palusami macrumors regular


    Nov 4, 2004
    san jose, ca
    sorry to hear about the job macdawg... :(

    i realize its bad but things could be a lot worse. keeping this in mind usually keeps me positive. i have my health, friends, family, and a beautiful son, all of which keep me pretty happy and feeling fortunate. most importantly, i have a mac dammit! :p

    there are a lot of things that happen to me to which i could use as means to argue that my life sucks or that things are really bad. i refuse to let those things get me down. i'm willing to bet that you have a few things that you can still feel happy about too.

    try keep your head up...things can only get better!
  6. stubeeef macrumors 68030


    Aug 10, 2004
    Dawg, man I hate that!

    I found this corp pilot gig after immenent fourloughs coming, gone stick it out as long as I can.

    I was a head hunter once, and have some good advice. Those that are head hunters now, feel free to chime in.

    Get all the numbers in your head that make you look good. ie managed 6 people or 6 jr managers and 30 people....
    proposed and managed budget in excess of $500,000 dollars. Always under budget by at least $50,000. reduced cost x by $y .......
    Dig'm up while fresh in your head. Use the high repetition words that scans like. Words like managed, built, ranked #1. Maybe you had the most effecient dept among 12 worldwide.
    Use as many hard numbers as possible!
    You know the web sites, hit'm hard.
    Now also do the one most don't do, go to the local job service, yes it will seem futile to wait hours there, but lots of companies use them exclusively, and don't advertise anywhere else. They will keep you in the data base for a long time. As a manager, you are qualified in almost anything. Do you have a degree? thought about more of it? Go to all the temp companies cause they have exclusive openings in your area too. Just make sure you use a HeadHunter or temp agency LAST! The reason is, when a company gets your resume from a HH or temp agency they are obligated to pay the fee if they hire you, and may take someone else they want less because of it, so don't use them till you need them, but don't forget them either. Also tap your alumni assoc., often overlooked but a great source, and of course your church and family.
    You have been and are in my prayers, since you mentioned this possiblity a few days ago. Good luck and PM if I can help.
  7. MacDawg thread starter macrumors Core


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    How right you are!!
    One thing I won't feel bad about is turning in my XP laptop!!
    Piece of crap! Had to do most of my work at home on my iMac!

    I'm not down, I've been expecting this for the last 2 months.
    I've actually missed the guys (and gals) out on the ramp.
    They are quite the characters.

    No, this won't get me down. Sure, it hurts when you get punched in the mouth, but you spit the blood and bits of broken tooth out of your mouth, wipe it on your sleeve and then smile and say, "c'mon, is that all you've got!"

    There were people on the floor crying and cursing, but I was walking around with a smile, saying goodbye to friends and encouraging them.

    My lifestyle will have to adjust, but that's OK
    Like you said, they can take away my job, but they can't touch my Mac!!

    Woof, Woof - Dawg
  8. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

    Mr. Anderson

    Nov 1, 2001
    So sorry to hear that - but may I ask, why did you settle for an airline job with a PhD. - were there really no other options?

  9. realityisterror macrumors 65816


    Aug 30, 2003
    Snellville, GA
    "The key to success is optimism. Look at what you have, not what you don't."

    looks like you're doing well..

    good luck,
  10. wdlove macrumors P6


    Oct 20, 2002
    I'm sorry to hear of your demotion Dawg. I think that you are to be congratulated for your positive attitude. That is why will come out of this OK. A persons attitude is adversity is very important. If I may ask, is your attitude related to your religious belief? Even in adversity there is usually something better to come.
  11. brap macrumors 68000

    May 10, 2004
    I recently got made redundant from my place of work, so I feel your pain. Sucks, I'm having to work for a pittance over the holidays because nothing has come up... best of luck sir.
  12. musicpyrite macrumors 68000


    Jan 6, 2004
    Cape Cod
    Sorry to hear about you loosing your job, MacDawg. :(

    I've never lost a job, but then again, I've never had one. Hope to start my first job early next year, working with the ITs at my local town hall.
  13. Doctor Q Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    Sep 19, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Why? Because you were overqualified? Because they thought they'd have to pay you more based on your advanced education? Because they knew you'd be likely to move on to something better? Or don't you know their reasons?
  14. MacDawg thread starter macrumors Core


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    Probably one, or all of the above, but they wouldn't even interview me to let me ask them. (I had some of my own ideas at the time) I applied everywhere I could think of. Because my brother-in-law hand carried my application through employment, the airline gave me an entry level job. Though I kept looking, I stayed and moved up there. I guess we all need perspective in life again from time to time. (Spoken as I spit out the blood and wipe it on my sleeve) I had to start over when I was 42, now, I will start over again at 49. I'll be joining about 400 new hires on the job, but they will start over the next month.

    Woof, (spit), Woof, (spit, wipe mouth with paw) - Dawg
  15. Mechcozmo macrumors 603


    Jul 17, 2004
    42 is the answer to life, the universe, and everything.

    That sucks... when I graduate HS in 2 years is this something I get to look forward to?
  16. rdowns macrumors Penryn


    Jul 11, 2003
    Sorry to hear about this but your attitude seems great. I admire you for that. I hope you keep a positive attitude and find what you are looking for.

    Here I was all ready to start a thread that I was promoted to VP today and then I saw your thread.
  17. zach macrumors 65816


    Feb 14, 2003
    That sucks, man...

    I'm a high school sophomore, I can't even imagine what that must be like... To be relegated to the unskilled jobs after being in the skilled positions.

    But hey, rejoice in the good things you have. People don't cost money to be with ;)

  18. Baron58 macrumors 6502

    Feb 19, 2004

    Delta. Gotta be.

    In 1994 I was desperate for a job. I applied and was accepted at Delta for 'outside gate', as the postion was called. I went to the interview, the physical, and then spent a rainy day hanging out on Concourses A, B, C, and D staring out at the ramp until I came to the realisation that *I* did not want to do *that*. I wanted to get from having a commercial certificate with multi-engine and instrument ratings into the front seat of a Boeing. Delta or not, throwing bags would not ever get me on track to where I wanted to go.

    When the call came to show up for orientation, I ignored it. I started on my IT career at that time, and have been very successful at it. Still trying to break into aviation, in 2001 I was >< <-- that close to being a first officer with ASA, until 9/11 happened. Still no closer now.

    Over the years I wondered if I should have taken the Delta job, and worked my way up into management there. At least it would be in the industry. Your post, bad as the situation is for you, eases that bit of self-doubt for me. There, but for the grace of God, go I.

    Good luck.
  19. MacDawg thread starter macrumors Core


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    No need to keep that news to yourself!!
    That's awesome!

    You should do some serious barking tonight!

    Woof, Woof - Dawg
  20. MacDawg thread starter macrumors Core


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    Extends paw, bends at elbow and points to wet nose (as in charades).

    Woof, Woof - Dawg
  21. emw macrumors G4


    Aug 2, 2004
    This is truly sad news coming from someone that I've grown fond of interacting with here. Hopefully you'll still have time to come and keep us posted on events, and keep us hopping in the political forum.

    What are your degrees in? What are you interests? Perhaps someone on the board will know of a position to help you out. I don't know what the policy is - and I know this isn't a job board - but I'm sure we'd be willing to help you and anyone else out that we've had some history with.

    Edit: And your general location? I am assuming Atlanta, but could be anywhere "between the hedges"!
  22. aus_dave macrumors regular

    Jan 6, 2004
    Sorry to hear about losing your job. As you still have a job I guess the main worry is the demotion and pay cut :(. From the quote above I get the impression you aren't really looking forward to this.

    Have you considered starting your own business or a total career change? As stubeef said, as a manager you have a range of skills to offer that you shouldn't discount so quickly. The hardest part about going back to a lower job is that it is difficult to maintain your enthusiasm (e.g. what position do you aspire to, your old one?).

    Sometimes a change like this can be a blessing in disguise. If you like motivational books, read "Who Moved My Cheese?" by Spencer Johnson. It is a ridiculously simple book but it has a good message behind it.

    Depending on your financial situation and responsibilities you might actually be better off emotionally and financially in a different environment.
  23. dotnina macrumors 6502a

    Aug 19, 2004
    MacDawg -- Sorry man, this really sucks ... right around the holidays, too! On the bright side, you might be able to find extra temporary work right now if you end up needing it, since a lot of retailers are hiring for the shopping season. I know it's probably not the best thing, but it could be a brief diversion for you.

    I hope you get back on your feet (paws?) soon. You definitely seem determined; I'm sure that'll help you immensely!

    If you don't mind me asking, what's your Ph.D in? It's a shame that someone so well educated can't get a job to fully exercise their expertise. :(
  24. iJon macrumors 604


    Feb 7, 2002
    Man, hearing that always feeds the back of my mind of just focusing more on my favorite skills and working with that in life. It's all around me everyday. For example, one of my co-workers. He works for my parents and is good at what he does, but it's just not the greatest thing in the world but he is doing what he loves on the side, and that is making music. He recently got in-touch with some people and is now producing a score for a new movie and looking at a pretty good pay check plus some recognition.

    But in the long-run I'm sure it's more worth it to take advantage of my parents paying for college and get that education. Sorry to hear about your loss and hope everything works out, good to see you are happy for the holidays which is most important.

  25. frescies macrumors regular

    Dec 9, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Welcome to "voodoo economics"! But don't thank me for 4 more years of it....


    Ok no politics.

    It's a frustrating economy indeed... my condolences are ample.

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