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im starting to think that now that FLocke has so many followers it will take more than one person to "defeat" him and that it will end up being Jack and Sawyer working together (reconciling their differences) with some guidance from Hugo to achieve this... all in all I believe Sawyer will play a big part in saving everyone.

Also Claire has bigger plans for Kate and may have not tried to kill her because she now realizes she needs Kate to get Aaron back... and I wonder if she is realizing that Flocke has been lying to her about the others having Aaron since Kate told her she took him off the island...

Well... Last Episode (maybe 2 ago), someone mentioned that Flocke was buiding support, if you think about it, that's what Locke was doing by trying to get everyone back to the island before he was killed.

Thanks everyone, I couldn't remember where that guy was from! :)

One final note. It seems Jin is in a similar situation (hostage) in both timelines. Both at Claires and in the Restaurant. It'll be interesting to see if Sayid helps him or if Sun gets to him first in the island timeline.
 
Maybe Hugo will wake up in bed, next to Suzanne Pleshette and say he just had the weirdest dream.
No, that's the wrong ending. Lapidus will fly Jack and Kate off the island and they'll look down to see that Locke has left stones on the shore spelling "GOODBYE".

Claire has bigger plans for Kate and may have not tried to kill her because she now realizes she needs Kate to get Aaron back... and I wonder if she is realizing that Flocke has been lying to her about the others having Aaron since Kate told her she took him off the island...
Claire now knows that Jin was lying to her about Aaron being in the temple. Maybe she'll want to settle that score.
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Claire now knows that Jin was lying to her about Aaron being in the temple. Maybe she'll want to settle that score

...didnt think about that... good point... It will be interesting to see how that plays out, and how walt will factor in... I heard both that he was gone for good and that the writers still had plans for him in the story somehow (whether that means the actor will return im not sure, I imagine it would be hard to explain why walt is suddenly 18..)
 
No, that's the wrong ending. Lapidus will fly Jack and Kate off the island and they'll look down to see that Locke has left stones on the shore spelling "GOODBYE".

No no no.... at the end, someone will try to come to the island, but Jack will say: "Sorry, we're closed", and then he'll walk away from the beach, straighten a picture of Locke that he hung from a palm tree, and walk into the base of the statue.
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Claire now knows that Jin was lying to her about Aaron being in the temple. Maybe she'll want to settle that score.

Wouldn't that also mean that Claire would know that her "friend" also lied about Aaron?
 
You may be right but I still think smokey was in the form of Sayid when the slaughter took place.

Didn't Ben go and try to get Sayid while the smoke monster was killing everyone else in the temple? Sayid was sitting there with the knife, so I would think Sayid was not the smoke monster.
 
Didn't Ben go and try to get Sayid while the smoke monster was killing everyone else in the temple? Sayid was sitting there with the knife, so I would think Sayid was not the smoke monster.

Indeed. You could hear the mayhem going on in the temple as Smoky was kicking ash. ;)
 
Just want to make 2 points/observations:

It seems like everybody thinks Kate walks off with MiB's new clan but to me it seemed like she was confused and did not know what was going on, she was kind of hanging back and stood at the doorway. I really dont think she goes off with them.

and

Didn't MiB recruit sawyer already back at the cave? just like he did with Sayid... so Sawyer is part of his group now or whatever it is.
 
^^^^^^^I think that Kate continued walking with them because she didn't know what else to do. She was most definitely confused, especially when she saw Locke. My guess is that Kate will involved herself in trying to convince Sawyer to leave Locke's group with her.



When the John Lennon Glasses guy saw that Sayid killed Dugen, he stated that Smokie was now able to come into the Temple now that he was dead.

I'm wondering what exactly Dugen was doing that kept Smokie out of the Temple? I'm guessing that the ash is somehow connected to him. Without Dugen, the ash is useless?
 
Ok I'm wrong about Sayid being smokey but still it seemed like while the carnage was going on and Kate,Sayid and Claire walked out FLocke was there with a bunch of other people already.

How did FLocke change into smokey,go inside.Kill everybody. Leave the temple and be there with all those other people without the others noticing it ?
 
This is all too weird, I'm confused about last season when Locke was doing all that time traveling and kept encountering Richard at different points on the island. There was something like a compass or something that changed hands, what was the significance of that as it relates to what's going on with fake-locke now?

Also, does anyone know what's happened to Jin? I failed to notice if he's with Fake Locke, or is he still wandering in the Jungle somewhere? Last I remember (not that long ago) he was with Claire when Fake Locke showed up.

And how does Claire recognize fake locke? Seems he's been occupied the entire time since the second plane went down over the island. Has he been using Locke's likeness since before the beginning of this season with Claire. I'm thinking that he was using Jack's dad's likeness when he lured her into the Jungle and she disappeared, and that she's probably the only one who knows the true nature of whoever Fake Locke is.

Then again, the people in the temple know her too, and know her situation, maybe Jack's father was involved with them? But his body came to the island under the same circumstances as Locke's body did this season. Maybe fake Locke has been going covert among the people in the temple for a while now?

Maybe I'm dumb but I'm having way too much trouble keeping track of everything.

SLC
 
The last Kate knew of Locke/Jeremy Bentham was that he died in LA.
She might be a bit puzzled/confused to see him alive.
 
Didn't MiB recruit sawyer already back at the cave? just like he did with Sayid... so Sawyer is part of his group now or whatever it is.

He seemed to, but I think sawyer is either full of it knowing this man is not who he said (after listening to a frantic Richard) or he will soon realize he does not want to help Flocke, maybe in order to protect Hugo... either way Sawyer does not seem to have the "darkness" in him.
 
I was intrigued by the certainty with which Flocke promised Claire she'd be with her son and Sayid would be with Nadia. What if the purpose of these flash-sideways is that Flocke can pluck people to and from these realities, or provide new realities, so that Claire can be with Aaron and Sayid with Nadia.

Seems like the characters are dividing between Team Jacob and Team Edward ... oops! wrong universe ... Team Smokey. So will it be a faceoff? Sayid vs. Hugo? Sawyer vs. Jack? Which side does Ben pick?

mt
 
Missed the show on Tuesday, just caught up (after reading a spoiler on twitter...grrrr). Some thoughts -

Remember, when Togan sent Sayid to kill Flocke he told him (paraphrased) "you must kill him before he speaks." Flocke walked up to him in the jungle and said something, then Sayid shoved the dagger in Flocke's chest, which did not kill him. Now, I don't know about Jacob, whether or not he spoke to Ben before he killed him, we'll have to watch that part again.

Jacob did speak to Ben. He says 'What about you?'. The whole having to kill before you are spoken to thing is pretty interesting. It's like, after someone with evil intentions speaks to you, you lose your free will.

I'm not convinced the show is about good vs. evil as much as it's about faith (Jacob) vs. reason (un-Locke).

There are a number of themes/battles in LOST. Good vs. Evil is the obvious and boring one. There is also Destiny vs. Free Will and Science vs. Faith, among other ones.

No matter what they do, it will probably be the biggest disappointment in TV history.

With a heavy heart, I agree. There is just too much buzz about this show. But I believe no good show can be ended appropriately. I loved the Sopranos ending, but I feel like I'm in the minority.

I think it's something related to Hugo too. He was afterall the one who was "told" the "numbers". I think he'll wake up on the plane with this all being a dream, or as you said, psychosis.

The producers have said that the Island is not an element of Hurley's mind.

I was intrigued by the certainty with which Flocke promised Claire she'd be with her son and Sayid would be with Nadia. What if the purpose of these flash-sideways is that Flocke can pluck people to and from these realities, or provide new realities, so that Claire can be with Aaron and Sayid with Nadia.

They introduced something like this in the other Abrams show, Fringe. **MAJOR FRINGE SPOILERS AHEAD** It turns out that one of the main characters actually died when they were a kid, but his father went to an alternate timeline and 'plucked' the kid back the normal timeline. It's like he never died at all. **END OF FRINGE SPOILERS**

I have been thinking that this is exactly the direction they are going in right now in LOST.

Seems like the characters are dividing between Team Jacob and Team Edward ... oops! wrong universe ... Team Smokey. So will it be a faceoff? Sayid vs. Hugo? Sawyer vs. Jack? Which side does Ben pick?

mt

From the next episode's scenes they showed, it looks like Ben is going to get killed off next week. They say he 'finally meets his demise'. I thought it was interesting they would just go ahead and tell us this. Hopefully it isn't true, I love Ben!

A faceoff is exactly what's coming. I am thinking it is either going to Jack vs. Sawyer (as the new Jacob vs. MiB), or Flocke (as the original MiB) vs. whoever is 'coming' to the Island.

/aaand inhale
 
I was just thinking about it... Flocke telling Claire that she would be with Aaron, he can probably bring aaron to the island. In the season 3 episode "the man from Tallahassee" Ben is able to have lockes father brought to the island in the "magic box"

perhaps this will be how Flocke plans on making good on his promise to Claire.
 
I was just thinking about it... Flocke telling Claire that she would be with Aaron, he can probably bring aaron to the island. In the season 3 episode "the man from Tallahassee" Ben is able to have lockes father brought to the island in the "magic box"

perhaps this will be how Flocke plans on making good on his promise to Claire.

How do we know Ben wasn't working with Smokey... He summoned the monster when the mercenaries from the ship invaded the "others" camp. Maybe the Box wasn't so magic after all.

Flocke seemed to know a lot about Locke and how pathetic he was. Not much of a stretch for Smokey to appear as Lockes father.
 
How do we know Ben wasn't working with Smokey... He summoned the monster when the mercenaries from the ship invaded the "others" camp. Maybe the Box wasn't so magic after all.

Flocke seemed to know a lot about Locke and how pathetic he was. Not much of a stretch for Smokey to appear as Lockes father.

except that locke presented the dead body to ben and the others after sawyer killed him...
 
Interesting ... Ben had a chance in the sideways to "save" Alex and he did it. Then Llana says she will have him back even though he killed Jacob. He chose to follow her and rejoin the group, spiting Flocke in the process. Ben is now good?

I guess we now know that Jacob was referring to Widmore when he told Hurley someone was traveling to the island.
 
Interesting ... Ben had a chance in the sideways to "save" Alex and he did it. Then Llana says she will have him back even though he killed Jacob. He chose to follow her and rejoin the group, spiting Flocke in the process. Ben is now good?

I'm not convinced

I guess we now know that Jacob was referring to Widmore when he told Hurley someone was traveling to the island.

I just deleted the episode off my DVR but I believe Jacob said someone bad was coming to the temple, which I guess means Flocke/Smokey.

So Richard was on the Black Rock. And touching means you live forever? Then how do you explain Locke? And since he touched all six candidates, are they all going to live forever?

And I'm wondering about Liana ... Jacob has told her that there are candidates to replace him, so she knows Jacob is going to die ... Has a real New Testament vibe now. Linus as Judas. The Six as The Twelve.

But how does the flash-sideways line up with the Linus and his dad on the island? They were part of the evacuation? I'm really having a hard time figuring out how that timeline fits into the "real" Lost. Or, maybe I'm just real lost.

mt
 
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