Lou Reed and Don Imus - any difference?

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  1. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    Don Imus:

    "Nappy headed ho's"

    Lou Reed:

    "I wanna be black..."
    "I wanna be like Martin Luther King, and get shot in the Spring..."

    "I Wanna Be Black", off the album Street Hassle

    "All the colored girls say, 'Do, do do...'."

    "Walk On The Wild Side," off the album Transformer
     
  2. solvs macrumors 603

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    Context.

    And besides, isn't the Imus thing a bit old as far as these types of stories go?
     
  3. kavika411 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I don't know in what context Lou Reed meant those words. What was the context?
     
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    Go listen to Lou Reed's songs. They are obviously quite the opposite of Don Imus. I can't even believe this is a question. What's going on in this country when people can't tell the difference?
     
  6. kavika411 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    What's going on in this country when people can't ask a fair question? (Incidentally, I own most of Lou Reed's albums, including the Velvet Underground days, so I don't need to go listen to them.)
     
  7. OnceUGoMac macrumors 6502a

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    Context

    I agree with Lee, confusing Don Imus' statements to the song is a bit silly.
     
  8. leekohler macrumors G5

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    It wasn't a fair question. And if you're really listening to Lou Reed's records, I don't understand why you would think it is.
     
  9. kavika411 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    So far, I don't "think" anything. I have given no opinion. I have asked a question, to which no one will provide an answer. But let's cut to the chase - the reality is that, as no one will admit, racism is subjective, and it is okay for some people to be racist but not others.

    As for people who simply scoff and say "just go listen to Lou Reed," I offer just two more stanzas from "I Wanna Be Black."

    I wanna be black, have natural rhythm
    Shoot twenty foot of j*sm too
    And **** up the jews

    I wanna be black, I wanna be a panther
    Have a girlfriend named samantha
    And have a stable of foxy wh*res
    Oh, oh, I wanna be black

    The question in the subject line of the original post remains fair and objective, and I remain interested in anyone who has an actual answer.
     
  10. Flowbee macrumors 68030

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    How about "Mark Twain and Don Imus - any difference?"
     
  11. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Bingo- I was thinking the same thing.
     
  12. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    Controversial song, that can't be denied.

    http://www.gadflyonline.com/archive-lou_reed.html

    There's your explanation. You can read into Lou Reed's actual stances what you will.

    http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-t4U3tzY0dqdVBHlUv1s-?cq=1&p=1875
     
  13. kavika411 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Thank you, Blue Velvet, for taking the time to give a substantive response. I just read the article you linked and it was very interesting.
     
  14. solvs macrumors 603

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    I gave an answer, just didn't realize it had to be spelled out.
     
  15. kavika411 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    The single word "context" is not an answer; it is a word used in lieu of thinking.
     
  16. leekohler macrumors G5

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    No- "context" was an answer. By using the word "context", solvs and others were trying to get you to think for yourself and explore Lou Reed's records for yourself. BV put an end to that by spoonfeeding you an article that you could have easily looked up on your own.
     
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    Given the context of this thread, shouldn't that be "in lieu of reading"? :p
     
  18. solvs macrumors 603

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    I'm sorry you didn't want to have to think, but you asked a simplistic question, I figured a simplistic answer was sufficient.
     
  19. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    any difference?

    Lou Reed didn't get a nice settlement after a wrongful termination lawsuit?
    Al Sharpton likes Lou's music?
    Imus' remark was specific and pointed towards black women (a minority double-shot)?
    Lou came off as witty but Imus came off as a jerk?


    Lethal
     

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