Louisiana (D) governor to sign heartbeat bill

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  1. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Another State falls and this one has a Democratic governor who will sign the bill into law....

    Roe is on the way out, maybe even faster than many expected.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...governor-prepared-to-sign-fetal-heartbeat-ban

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    Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards (D) is reportedly prepared to break with the Democratic Party to sign a bill banning abortion after a fetal heartbeat detected if it passes a final vote in the state House, The Associated Press reported.

    The proposal awaits a final vote before it heads to Edwards’ desk. The legislation would ban abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected, which is around the six-week mark before many women even know they are pregnant.

    The procedure would be allowed if the pregnant woman’s health is in “serious risk,” but not for pregnancies caused by rape or incest, AP noted.
     
  2. appleisking macrumors 6502a

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    Heart beat laws are idiotic and unscientific. Six weeks does not a person make. They might as well outright ban abortions after conception since they’re picking arbitrary points that don’t mean anything.
     
  3. raqball thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I found this interesting regarding the (D) governor.

    The Democrat’s anti-abortion stance stems from his wife’s pregnancy nearly 30 years ago. A doctor discovered their daughter, Samantha, had spina bifida and encouraged an abortion, but the couple refused.

    Samantha is now married and works as a school counselor, according to the outlet.
     
  4. raqball thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Agree... The more states the merrier... SCOTUS is going to be forced to reexamine...
     
  5. missbing macrumors 6502

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    Just because the Supreme Court is leaning right doesn’t mean they’ll overturn RvW.
     
  6. raqball, May 17, 2019
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    We can only hope that they do..... \
     
  7. retta283 macrumors 6502a

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    Roe vs Wade? I prefer to swim.

    I won't bring up my views on abortion, but I hope it does not make it to the Supreme Court for one reason. There will be mass protests and violence, I expect many will die during the process. Sad that we are so divided right now, Bleeding Kansas is repeating on a nationwide scale. If we continue down this path our country will look like India during the partition...
     
  8. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    after fetal heartbeat detected ....
    Basically means check yourself more often and terminate things if need be before the heart beat
     
  9. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    This will cost the tax payers of these two states a lot of money. It definitely won't stop people crossing state lines to have an abortion. And as I said, it isn't anyone's business but the woman's on whether or not she can have one.


    No one cares about your religion or connection with some figure. Not everyone shares your interests on how to control others' bodies. What's funny is it's always the pushers of these laws who have a woman on the side and asked them to get it terminated. Or in southern GOP fashion, a young boy on the side.
     
  10. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    A “heartbeat Bill” is code for “baby thrown in dumpster with rejected pizzas”.
     
  11. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    I don’t agree with abortion personally but I don’t think it’s my place to have an opinion for what other people decide.

    I really wish the pro-choice promotes abortion in a different way, as I think the current trend does little to change the minds of the opposition. The current method pretty much ensures opposition. Abortion should be suggested as an individual’s decision, albeit a heavy one that women take under deep consideration. Watering it down to something that a simple choice I think A. Not representative of what almost women experience and B. Infuriates the pro-life movement by making it seem like the implications of abortion don’t exist.

    Additionally, the narrative of men wanting to control women’s bodies doesn’t match the statistics when the percentage of pro-life vs prochoice are pretty equally proportioned male and female. I think it’s rather obvious their concern has little to do oppressing women and everything to do with protecting what they perceive as innocent life. The same way I’d expect most pro-choice people wouldn’t endorse terminating orphaned children.

    And along those same lines I don’t think the pro-life’s depiction that pro-choice women treat the decision to have an abortion the same as throwing out junk mail.

    I’m just think it would be beneficial for both sides to show a little understanding to the other. For the same reason most on the right support gun rights those on the left support abortion- individual liberty and an individual decision. Mischaracterizing the other side only infuriates the other.

    All that said, I think there should be a term limit on voluntary abortion, I’m not sure where to draw that line. Alabama essentially banning of abortion is ridiculous.
     
  12. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    I think Roe vs Wade is a uniquely bad ruling that’s difficult to understand as a layperson and that is part of the problem. I agree polarisation on both sides is also an issue.
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    Given Roberts refused to overturn Obamacare I doubt he will vote to overturn this. It isn’t the best ruling, but a whole bunch of men voting to overturn, especially when joined by two sex offenders, isn’t going to look good in the history books.
     
  13. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    I am not sure abortion is, or has, been promoted. It is provided as a medical service to those who need it, and with Medical guidelines and supervision to ensure maximum safety. I will have to agree to disagree about the control of women' bodies being a motivation - it sure as hell is. The fact that some women vote against this does not change that fact. There are gay Republicans for example. Farmers voted for Trump. The innocent life gambit is convenient as it is merely an abstraction - and when (and if) a child comes, then there are real choices and costs - and those promoting crap like this don't give a whit about them then...If you're going to be hypocritical (not you personally), then at least try and be pragmatic to christ's sake. Also, perhaps let Science weigh in on this matter...
     
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    It does seem these deep southern states are forcing the issue, yet these thing can take years to wind there way to the SCOUS.

    It's no telling how the court will look if and when they ever take up the issue of these laws, but this is something (R) can take to it's evangelical base, as a way of saying they aren't screwing them.
     
  15. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    Trying to scrap gay marriage would be easier than this mess.
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    Don't be surprised if Kavanaugh refuses either. He's made a few decisions already that buck what some Republicans think he'll do for Trump. He doesn't owe anything to Trump at all. What's Trump going to do... leak his drunk antics in college? The same ones the GOP spent months denying were true?

    If the claims against Kavanaugh are true, and frankly I believe they are, he'll probably swing towards left on key votes to placate the people whose ire he raised with his appointment and outbursts. He got the job. As far as he's concerned, screw Trump.

    I know the joke about Lindsey Graham being gay is funny, and likely true, he isn't whatever the word is to denote someone being public. I know of Peter Thiel and Richard Grennell. Neither are politicians in any sense. Both men are also both smart and hilariously stupid in different ways. I'd classify both men as Log Cabin Republicans even though Thiel isn't exactly a Republican. I wouldn't use the small amount of LCR members as any viable statistic to support whatever point it is you're trying to make. There are dirt poor Americans who vote GOP to put it to minorities when in all likelihood they're in worse financial shape than said minorities, and suffer from GOP policies at a federal and state level.
     
  16. cube macrumors P6

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    Is it like half of the US that is joining the bandwagon?
     
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    forgive my bluntness: over half of Americans (women) have to deal with this crap. I quite enjoy conversations here. Yet I can go to the doctor no questions asked and probably get a Viagra prescription if I wanted one.
     
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    Abortion is legal here and still plenty end up in the dumpster:(
     
  19. raqball thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Using fear is a common tactic... Coat hanger abortions, babies thrown in dumpsters ect. All fear and scare tactics that I guess must work on some...

    Will there be some of both? Sure.... Will they come anywhere even close to the 900,000 abortions a year? Nerp.....
     
  20. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Comprehensive sex education does a great job of reducing abortions.
     
  21. raqball thread starter macrumors 68000

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    And I am all for it... That and free contraceptives that are easily available...
     
  22. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Good :).
     
  23. Altis macrumors 68030

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    Does "comprehensive" mean all elements of reproduction, or does it also have to include everything from the 72 genders to fisting?

    Because that seems to be the divide around here. :p
     
  24. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    We are talking reducing abortion as much as possible right? So I’m pretty sure talking about all aspects of sexuality - including female pleasure - helps.
     

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