LTE Advance who will win

metsjetsfan

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Does anyone know who is winning the war in setting the table for LTE Advance in the US? Seems like both vz and ATT scored deals in the past month for more spectrum, but it's not clear who will be the winner 5-8 years down the road.

I know the best provider is still the one in your area or areas that you frequent but just wanted hear about all the spectrum jibber jabber and VZ vs ATT.

One question, I am not clear on, VZ is clearly the hands down winner for LTE, but does that give them a leg up in LTE Advance or can ATT catch up/leapfrog with LTE Advance?
 

taedouni

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Verizon will win. They have more money and more customers. AT&T may have a bit faster network down the road due to not being as congested as Verizon, but Verizon will be more reliable.
 

Dwalls90

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Verizon. And rightfully so. AT&T's network is not only inferior, but so is their customer service. Does AT&T have any advantage over Verizon? No longer voice/data or faster speeds.
 

Drag'nGT

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It will probably be just like it is now unless something major happens. The two will be close enough it won't matter much.

The voice and data plans continue to mimic each other. AT&T will have their shared data packs out in another week or two. They'll get to see how they can tweak it over the one VZW set into place the other day. If I switched to VZW it would cost me an extra $20 + tax per month. There's no coverage improvement so I see no reason to waste money and loose my unlimited data plan.

Edit, last time I checked VZW usually forces you on to the current plan when you upgrade to a current phone. I have been able to keep grandfathered plans and get new equipment without hassle. That seems like good customer service to me.
 
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chakraj

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It will probably be just like it is now unless something major happens. The two will be close enough it won't matter much.

The voice and data plans continue to mimic each other. AT&T will have their shared data packs out in another week or two. They'll get to see how they can tweak it over the one VZW set into place the other day. If I switched to VZW it would cost me an extra $20 + tax per month. There's no coverage improvement so I see no reason to waste money and loose my unlimited data plan.

Edit, last time I checked VZW usually forces you on to the current plan when you upgrade to a current phone. I have been able to keep grandfathered plans and get new equipment without hassle. That seems like good customer service to me.
No Verizon does not force you to change plans. I am still on my grandpa unlimited plan also.
 

Want300

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No Verizon does not force you to change plans. I am still on my grandpa unlimited plan also.
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I did not even notice it until I saw your post

They will if you try to update to the next iphone with LTE.
Or they will make you pay full price for the iphone. Pick your poison.
Yup, I hate the power these companies hold over us. Their prices are outrageous. I am really tempted to switch to a service like straight talk to save $30 a month.

But, otherwise, I am happy with AT&T at the moment, I still have my FAN discount from my old job, so not matter what, I will pay more if I switch to Verizon.

Plus... AT&T has LTE in my area already anyway, so Verizon doesn't offer me any more than AT&T does. It actually offers me slightly less, because when I am in areas where I won't have LTE, AT&T's 3G is better. I do not travel that much, and when I travel for work, it is usually small towns, so they wont have LTE for either network yet.
 

Diseal3

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I did not even notice it until I saw your post



Yup, I hate the power these companies hold over us. Their prices are outrageous. I am really tempted to switch to a service like straight talk to save $30 a month.

But, otherwise, I am happy with AT&T at the moment, I still have my FAN discount from my old job, so not matter what, I will pay more if I switch to Verizon.

Plus... AT&T has LTE in my area already anyway, so Verizon doesn't offer me any more than AT&T does. It actually offers me slightly less, because when I am in areas where I won't have LTE, AT&T's 3G is better. I do not travel that much, and when I travel for work, it is usually small towns, so they wont have LTE for either network yet.
Verizon is set to have their existing 3G footprint blanked with LTE by the end of 2013. Plus, they are ahead of schedule. That whole HSPA+ fallback won't really make a difference.
 

aristobrat

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AT&T's network is not only inferior, but so is their customer service. Does AT&T have any advantage over Verizon? No longer voice/data or faster speeds.
If you live in a market where a carrier has somehow magically deployed their brand-new LTE network to give the same great coverage that it took them YEARS to build out with their voice/3G networks, then I think you have a point.

But I think most people, for the next few years, are going to be living around areas with LTE coverage that is nowhere near as good as voice/3G coverage, which means their LTE devices are going to spend time on 3G networks.

The advantage in that case goes to AT&T. IMO, their HSPA/HSPA+ 3G networks EASILY beat the speed of Verizon's 3G network. Which is precisely why Verizon is running balls-to-the-wall to get LTE deployed as quickly as they can. They're at a total competitive disadvantage (speed wise) without it. Even T-Mobile has a 3G network that's a gazillion times faster...
 

Dwalls90

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If you live in a market where a carrier has somehow magically deployed their brand-new LTE network to give the same great coverage that it took them YEARS to build out with their voice/3G networks, then I think you have a point.

But I think most people, for the next few years, are going to be living around areas with LTE coverage that is nowhere near as good as voice/3G coverage, which means their LTE devices are going to spend time on 3G networks.

The advantage in that case goes to AT&T. IMO, their HSPA/HSPA+ 3G networks EASILY beat the speed of Verizon's 3G network. Which is precisely why Verizon is running balls-to-the-wall to get LTE deployed as quickly as they can. They're at a total competitive disadvantage (speed wise) without it. Even T-Mobile has a 3G network that's a gazillion times faster...
Yea, Verizon is out in 330 markets, and has the big cities (where I live and travel for work) covered.

So unless you live in the rural areas, I guess you can live with HSPDA+ and ATT's horrible customer service and unreliable dropped call statistic :rolleyes:
 

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Does anyone know who is winning the war in setting the table for LTE Advance in the US? Seems like both vz and ATT scored deals in the past month for more spectrum, but it's not clear who will be the winner 5-8 years down the road.

I know the best provider is still the one in your area or areas that you frequent but just wanted hear about all the spectrum jibber jabber and VZ vs ATT.

One question, I am not clear on, VZ is clearly the hands down winner for LTE, but does that give them a leg up in LTE Advance or can ATT catch up/leapfrog with LTE Advance?
Verizon will be the first carrier in the US to deploy LTE+ (advanced). This should happen in the middle of 2013 or in the end of 2013.
 

Spectrum Abuser

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I thought that Sprint already won with WiMax which was the only one with true 4G speeds... it was only a battery issue.
WiMax is out of the race. It can hardly keep up with HSDPA let alone HSPA+/LTE. Sprint finally admitted to this with their 'Network Vision' of converting all existing WiMax cell sites to LTE status.
 

aristobrat

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Yea, Verizon is out in 330 markets, and has the big cities (where I live and travel for work) covered.

So unless you live in the rural areas, I guess you can live with HSPDA+ and ATT's horrible customer service and unreliable dropped call statistic :rolleyes:
I don't live in a rural area -- I live in Virginia's largest city, where Verizon has been pimping their LTE network here for coming up on a year now.

Oh, and I'm a Verizon customer. iPhone 4s (on their 3G network) and iPad (on their LTE network).

At home, my iPhone 4s gets 4-5 bars of Verizon legendary voice/3G signal. Verizon's LTE signal (in the same location) is a completely different story. Check out the speedtest below, done on Verizon's LTE network, from one of those 330 markets you're talking about.

There's a huge difference between *ANY CARRIER* saying they have LTE coverage in a market, and a carrier having the same LTE coverage as they have voice/3G coverage. I'd personally be surprised if any carrier truly has many markets covered wall-to-wall. Right now it's a race to get an "LTE HERE" dot on as many markets as they can. Then they'll go and backfill the gaps in the markets. At least that's how they all did it last time.

Which means you don't have to be in a RURAL AREA to appreciate falling back to HSPA+ when you lose LTE.

 

Dwalls90

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I don't live in a rural area -- I live in Virginia's largest city, where Verizon has been pimping their LTE network here for coming up on a year now.

Oh, and I'm a Verizon customer. iPhone 4s (on their 3G network) and iPad (on their LTE network).

At home, my iPhone 4s gets 4-5 bars of Verizon legendary voice/3G signal. Verizon's LTE signal (in the same location) is a completely different story. Check out the speedtest below, done on Verizon's LTE network, from one of those 330 markets you're talking about.

There's a huge difference between *ANY CARRIER* saying they have LTE coverage in a market, and a carrier having the same LTE coverage as they have voice/3G coverage. I'd personally be surprised if any carrier truly has many markets covered wall-to-wall. Right now it's a race to get an "LTE HERE" dot on as many markets as they can. Then they'll go and backfill the gaps in the markets. At least that's how they all did it last time.

Which means you don't have to be in a RURAL AREA to appreciate falling back to HSPA+ when you lose LTE.

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Oh no my friend. I agree with you. I was responding perhaps a tad sarcastic to the person I quoted. My point is that Verizon has far more widespread coverage than AT&T, in terms of both 3G and LTE.

That's why I always laugh. Yea, ok, so AT&T's HSPDA+ (I refuse to call this 4G) may have some more coverage nationwide than Verizon's LTE, but Verizon's LTE covers a nearly large percentage of the population and is WAY faster. Plus, you just can't compare HSPDA+ to LTE, despite AT&T's conniving attempts to.
 

jediistar

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Actually, T-Mobile will be deploying LTE Advanced, otherwise known as 3GPP Release 10 right from the get go. AT&T and Sprint will also deploy this next year, but those will be upgrades, T-Mobile will be launching it right from the start.

Fast Progress on 4G Network Modernization
June 14, 2012

We're making great progress in just three short months since we first announced T-Mobile's $4 billion 4G network evolution plan, including network modernization and deployment of long term evolution (LTE) service in 2013. Here are some of the highlights:

Just last month, T-Mobile announced multi-year agreements with Ericsson and Nokia Siemens Networks to support our $4 billion 4G network evolution plan, which will include a modernization of 37,000 cell sites and a move to the latest, state-of-the-art, LTE release 10 capable equipment.

Initially, this effort will improve existing voice and data coverage, make our 4G network compatible with a broader range of devices (including the iPhone), and pave the way for long term evolution (LTE) service next year.

With contracts in place, we're making excellent headway on our network infrastructure transformation. By the end of this month we expect new equipment to be installed at our first 400 modernized GSM / HSPA+ sites and we plan to grow this to over 2,500 sites by the end of July.

We've also secured zoning approval or do not require zoning for over 19,500 sites and have completed necessary entitlement work, including obtaining building permits for over 4,000 sites.

As new equipment is in place, we're turning up some small scale tests of 4G HSPA+ service in our 1900 MHz spectrum. Some customers with unlocked iPhones recently saw evidence of those tests; clocking much faster data speeds at the Moscone West conference center in San Francisco. More of these speed sightings will occur as we work toward introducing 4G HSPA+ service in our 1900 MHz spectrum in a large number of markets later this year.

Finally, LTE trials are underway and this summer we'll begin using Release-10 equipment in these trials. The ability to launch with this next version of LTE technology is one advantage of launching next year.

We'll be sure to keep you posted on our progress along the way.

T-Mobile
 

dontwalkhand

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Verizon. And rightfully so. AT&T's network is not only inferior, but so is their customer service. Does AT&T have any advantage over Verizon? No longer voice/data or faster speeds.
Simple, there ACTUALLY ARE places where AT&T does get service and Verizon doesn't. AT&T wins here.
 

Dwalls90

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Simple, there ACTUALLY ARE places where AT&T does get service and Verizon doesn't. AT&T wins here.
And you definitely have a point here, but it's fair to say that there are FAR more places AT&T doesn't provide 3G than Verizon doesn't.
 

mattopotamus

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If you live in a major city it is kind of irrelevant. I have great service with both AT&T and Verizon. LTE works great on both networks, but I get a 25% discount with AT&T so I use them.
 

antman2295

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I personally think it won't make that much of a difference. I know my self, I don't have any issues with coverage, and I can only think of a dropped call where every other person didn't have service either. I don't understand everyone's complaints about At&t's customer service, I have only had a couple people that were frustrating, but I almost always get someone helpful. Just like any company they have some bad apples. We have been with "At&t" since 1996, and have always been taken care of. LTE currently isn't that big of a deal, seeing as most phones don't do a good job balancing battery life for the speed.
 

mattopotamus

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I personally think it won't make that much of a difference. I know my self, I don't have any issues with coverage, and I can only think of a dropped call where every other person didn't have service either. I don't understand everyone's complaints about At&t's customer service, I have only had a couple people that were frustrating, but I almost always get someone helpful. Just like any company they have some bad apples. We have been with "At&t" since 1996, and have always been taken care of. LTE currently isn't that big of a deal, seeing as most phones don't do a good job balancing battery life for the speed.
agreed about AT&T, I have never had an issue...granted I don't think I have ever called them about one. I use my phone, get a bill, pay the bill.