MacRaffle Under Investigation

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  1. arn macrumors god


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    Apr 9, 2001
    Kevin Black wrote us with the following:

    If you go to the MacRaffle website,, you will notice that a message comes up instead of the site. Seems the Ohio Attorney General's office is investigating MacRaffle under gambling accusations.

    No one was arrested and the site owner seems to be upfront and honest. He\'s obviously trying to appear upfront and honest. However, for those that felt it could have been a shady operation, it appears the Ohio AG is going to determine it without doubt.

    So, those that felt it was could either be vindicated or ashamed. Only time will tell.
  2. SilvorX macrumors 68000


    May 24, 2002
    'Toba, Canada
    i remember going to that site once...never really thought of it as a scam or anything...
  3. happygoodies macrumors newbie

    Sep 29, 2002
    It was obviously online gambling, which is banned in Ohio as far as I know, so they're clearly guilty unless there are other facts =( As for whether they were "legit" in that they randomly drew winners and sent out prizes, I think that's besides the point.

    It sounds like some guy got a get-rich-quick idea and put it on the Internet without realizing he could get into a lot of trouble.

    If anyone could do this, you'd see a million of these raffles online. What easier way to get money than to buy iPods for $300 each and sell 1000 raffle tickets for it for $1 each?
  4. arn thread starter macrumors god


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    Apr 9, 2001
    yeah - there are very clear rules about contests vs gambling.

    I ran a contest site for a while... and while I'm not a lawyer, there are some basic rules...

    In general... contest need to be free to enter - you can't have a purchase required. (this is called gambling). Unless there is a significant skill element involved, in which case you can charge entry fees.

    Certain organizations are exempt, I believe... such as non-profits (churchs perhaps)

    Looks like he's trying to utlize the Skill element - but in the few times I'd read that site, i never knew there was a skill element to it.

  5. dricci macrumors 6502a

    Dec 15, 2001
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  6. happygoodies macrumors newbie

    Sep 29, 2002
    I think by "skill" he meant "skill at your job" and through that "skill" a commisurate amount of "money" to give him and win prizes =(
  7. funkywhat2 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 14, 2002
    didn't they give the after tax profits to charity? why would that be illegal?
  8. Evergreen macrumors member


    Jul 9, 2001
    Re: MacRaffle Under Investigation

    That's right kids, gambling is wrong unless you are a state government, in which case it's fine!
  9. Moxiemike macrumors 68020


    Jan 1, 2002
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Re: Re: MacRaffle Under Investigation

    At the risk of sounding like an ass, what kind of skill does it take to say "i want an iPod. I'm buying 10 tickets to win an iPod."

    Maybe the skill to click a mouse or type a URL? This kinda makes this guy seem :GUILTY:

    I don't know all the facts... but as Shakespeare said, and from reading his site:

    "Thou doth protest too much"
  10. card-wheels macrumors newbie

    Nov 15, 2007
    Very nice forum, I'm an italian reader and your english is simple and easily understanded from me :)

  11. Unspeaked macrumors 68020


    Dec 29, 2003
    West Coast
    The "skill" was being able to spot scams.

    The more skill you had, the less likely you were to lose money...
  12. Peace macrumors Core


    Apr 1, 2005
    Space--The ONLY Frontier
    You have a coma at the end of that link arn.
    It goes nowhere.
  13. WildCowboy Administrator/Editor


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    Jan 20, 2005
    I think we can safely put this five-year old thread to bed.

    The amazing thing is that their site is still there with a "Returning Soon" label.
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