Transplanted from a Page 2 discussion, where ~Shard~ was addressing Donthrutme: Good luck. I may lurk, but all I've seen out of Donthurtme on this subject has been this constant rave against Apple and their engineering. For some reason, anyone who even slightly defends the choices Apple has made, and the forces of the market, is an apologist who thinks that macs shouldn't ever be used as gaming machines. Maybe it's never occured to him that companies have to modify the boards to be used in Apple machines, and that an economy of scale applies in these matters. DVI is standard enough, but ADC is not exactly the connector of choice in the PC world. Add into that the consideration of writing OpenGL and OS X compatible drivers that are fast and stable, and you're getting into some major investment by the firms who manufacture cards. I don't know how much of a return they get from what already exists, but I bet it isn't enough for them to decide it's a justifiable expense to make more models available. Oh, and you know all those wonderful advancements in the mac that we love and cherish? Things like the G5 towers? We wouldn't have them if Apple didn't have the money to keep sinking into R&D. Lower profit margins mean less cash in the short term (at least), and perhaps a gamble that wouldn't pay off to begin with. In other words, this is not a simple issue of 'Apple Hates Gamers.' Hell, my 700mhz emac runs most games well enough for my tastes, even if I do lust for something better. I'd love to have a 1.6 G5 with a 5200 FX, right about now. Hell, slide me an imac, and I'd still be better off than I am!