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Macworld to Stay in New York?

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This Boston Herald article reports that IDG World Expo may not be moving Macworld Expo to Boston as previously reported.

While final decision hasn't yet been made, IDG has already canceled hotel reservations at the Seaport Hotel for that time period. David Korse, the new head of IDG will be making a decision by Labor Day. David Korse replaced Charlie Greco, who was particularly vocal last year about his wishes to move Macworld back to Boston. The subsequent announcement of the move was met with resistance from Apple -- who announced that it would not be participating in Macworld Boston.

Apple did decrease its involvement in this years Macworld NewYork (now known as Macworld Creative Pro). It's unclear what level of involvement Apple will take in future summer Macworlds regardless of the location.
 

MacsRgr8

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I still think MacWorld New York sounds better than MacWorld Boston....

We have:
SF,
Tokyo
Paris....
... what fits better, New York or Boston?
 
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Ambrose Chapel

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Sucks for me...would have been nice to walk over there and check it out. I still don't expect Apple to have a big presence regardless of where it is. I'm sure Steve is happy not to have to meet another MW deadline for more insanely great stuff.
 
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Jerry Spoon

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Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
I still don't expect Apple to have a big presence regardless of where it is. I'm sure Steve is happy not to have to meet another MW deadline for more insanely great stuff.

But now Steve has set a precedent of not doing a keynote there, so there's no pressure...but if the timing was right to release something around that time of year NY would make a great location and provide a great audience.
 
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Neotronik

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I'm not happy about Steve dissing Macworld NYC. Therefore I missed it too. Alot of people missed it. I bought my first mac because of Macworld 2001. The atmosphere was incredible and it was my first time seeing Steve and his keynote. I'm in the market for a new Mac this year; I ordered a dual 2ghz g5 but I may cancel; October is way off and the announcement of getting to 3ghz by next year has already been made. I may go for an amd 64 as it will be available soon and I will wait for apple to go to 3ghz. Again; If i'm forced to wait an the amd 64 comes out; Adios Apple. Adios Macworld too. The aura of the mac has worn thin on me. Steve Jobs has worn thin on me. Forcing hardware on you thatj outdates itself 3 - 6 months with no upgrade path is so big brother to me. No processor upgrades? Have to go to third parties; that stinks!!!! Forcing and OS down your throat isn't attractive either. I do audio; still waiting for good audio units. Thanks for abandoning os9 Steve. **** the other platform allows you to go all the way back to DOS; that's insane. (Hey don't kill me; Yeah; dos sucks and so did windows until 98SE) I think AMD is on the money; they are doing all the right things; I can buy an AMD now upgrade the motherboard if necessary and processor in a year and not have to spend 3000 dollars to do so. Why does that seem so much more appealing to me? Oh Yah; it makes alot of sense! it puts me back in control of things and gives me choices. I'm more comfortable with that.
 
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mstecker

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It all comes down to:

1) Macworld is nothing without Apple going in 100%

2) Apple wants it in NY

3) Apple was willing to walk if it wasn't in NY.

It will be in NY, and not this crappy "creative pro" nonsense either. I can't wait for another <real> MWNY.
 
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mstecker

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Originally posted by Neotronik
... with no upgrade path is so big brother to me. No processor upgrades? Have to go to third parties; that stinks!!!!

I always point out to people who complain about this that the resale values of Macs on eBay and elsewhere are very very high compared with PCs. What this means is that it's very easy to buy new hardware and support the cost by selling your old hardware.

Which would you prefer? Opening up two brand spanking new macs every year (as I do), or futzing around with processor upgrades and motherboard upgrades?
 
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jaedreth

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Irregular releases

You know, it's kinda late to turn back. With Apple turning to irregular yet more frequent releases, MacWorld NY is gonna suck even without the CreativePro bullsh*t.

Maybe one new product released in January each year.

Apple doesn't do timelines well. Apple doesn't pre-announce like everyone else.

In order for Apple to keep their new strategy of more frequent updates, Apple would have to start pre-announcing things to make MacWorld even worth attending, let alone the glory of the past years.

Now, if Apple used MacWorld NY to announce *new* products, as in, not revisions... New pieces of software, new digital devices, a new type of computer/mac, and planned for having *something* brand new every year for MWNY, and as well as announcing all the revs that just happen to be ready in time to announce (if not ship), as well as go over the G5 timeline, give us a roadmap goshdarnit, then MWNY could be decent.

But that is a big IF.

Jaedreth
 
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Farside161

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Originally posted by Neotronik
I'm not happy about Steve dissing Macworld NYC. Therefore I missed it too. Alot of people missed it. I bought my first mac because of Macworld 2001. The atmosphere was incredible and it was my first time seeing Steve and his keynote. I'm in the market for a new Mac this year; I ordered a dual 2ghz g5 but I may cancel; October is way off and the announcement of getting to 3ghz by next year has already been made. I may go for an amd 64 as it will be available soon and I will wait for apple to go to 3ghz. Again; If i'm forced to wait an the amd 64 comes out; Adios Apple. Adios Macworld too. The aura of the mac has worn thin on me. Steve Jobs has worn thin on me. Forcing hardware on you thatj outdates itself 3 - 6 months with no upgrade path is so big brother to me. No processor upgrades? Have to go to third parties; that stinks!!!! Forcing and OS down your throat isn't attractive either. I do audio; still waiting for good audio units. Thanks for abandoning os9 Steve. **** the other platform allows you to go all the way back to DOS; that's insane. (Hey don't kill me; Yeah; dos sucks and so did windows until 98SE) I think AMD is on the money; they are doing all the right things; I can buy an AMD now upgrade the motherboard if necessary and processor in a year and not have to spend 3000 dollars to do so. Why does that seem so much more appealing to me? Oh Yah; it makes alot of sense! it puts me back in control of things and gives me choices. I'm more comfortable with that.
what he ment was that in 12 months they whould be a 3 GHZ, not by next calendar year
 
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arnette

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Originally posted by Neotronik
No processor upgrades? Have to go to third parties; that stinks!!!! Forcing and OS down your throat isn't attractive either. I do audio; still waiting for good audio units. Thanks for abandoning os9 Steve. **** the other platform allows you to go all the way back to DOS; that's insane. (Hey don't kill me; Yeah; dos sucks and so did windows until 98SE) I think AMD is on the money; they are doing all the right things;

Ha! I laugh at you. What did you expect Apple products to be like??? It's been like this from the beginning. You got on the wrong boat, methinks.
 
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bokdol

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Originally posted by arnette
Ha! I laugh at you. What did you expect Apple products to be like??? It's been like this from the beginning. You got on the wrong boat, methinks.


he may have got on the wrong boat but he does have a point. with g5 on the way the cost for g4 upgrade are still way high... just think a 1.4 ghz upgrade is still about $600. a whole emac can be bought for as much... edu price... but none the less bought for that price.... amd and pentium procs csot at most 300 and that is for the best brand fastest model. for me to get on a mac i get a 800 mhz g4...... ugrade.... wow now thats fast.....:rolleyes:


well i am trying not to complain but i am trying to figure out if i shold upgrade my machine or not.... the reason i got a desktop machine was the possiblity of up gradeing but now i am sort of distrought buy the options i have. for double the price of a high end upgrade i can get a new mdd g4... what to do????
 
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bignumbers

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The MacWorld show in NYC is dead. There's no way to have the vendors and attendees return to their former numbers next year. Half the people/vendors missed the show, and most who came (including me) hated it. It's the fault of Apple/IDG game-playing moreso than NYC's costs, although many vendors (Macromedia, Adobe, etc) dropped out in prior years due to cost.

I'll go anywhere on the East Coast that has a good MacWorld. But there's no chance of a good NYC show again. The only valid choices are to move, or to cancel the show altogether. Since everything is organized (except for Steve's ego), they should give Boston a shot.

But there's no chance of another great MacWorld/NYC. We'd sooner see Gigli II get rave reviews.
 
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aryeh

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Went to MacWorld NYC & was very disappointed. BORING to say the least. And no new powerbooks! The 15" is ancient in my books.

I do pro audio & need a powerful pro portable.

The G4 portable line is supposed to be this.
HOWEVER, no level 3 cache in 12" (my first pick due to size; will hook up to second montior in studio). Level 3 is needed in these ancient G4's for audio/soft synth plug ins. The G5 doesn't need the level 3 from what I hear.

17" too big.
15" too out of date.
Besides, from what I hear, the 15" is real world faster than the 17". Go figure.

My philosophy: One "should" be able to buy any laptop in the pro line according to the size of monitor wanted (in other words, how portable one needs to be) and not according to the features required. Make the same features available across the board.

DOES ONE HAVE TO BUY THE BIGGEST, BULKIEST MACHINE IN ORDER TO GET THE MOST POWER? Foolish marketing in my books.

Waiting for the update. I need a new machine for portable pro audio.
Next machine is to take me through to the G5 portable (unless of course the next machine is this baby); however, if next machine aint much, might go used until the G5 is out.

Aryeh
http://www.Har-Even.com

Apple user since 1987.


:eek:
 
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bastardx

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Originally posted by bokdol
amd and pentium procs csot at most 300 and that is for the best brand fastest model.
Um, I somehow doubt that you can pay only 300 for the top of the line in AMD and Intel, lets, see here, according to newegg.com... Intel P4 3.2 GHz, 660 for an OEM chip, not quite 300... And that is the fastest model. And a Barton 3200+ costs 446 for an OEM chip, so for both of those chips, you still have to buy a Heatsink/Fan unit in order to run it without it shutting down at boot, or frying. I mean, yes, those upgrades are easy to do for desktops, that would probably be why I have a PC tower, but in my opinion, I think that apple makes the best notebooks, reguardless of when they were last released.
 
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Mosco

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Originally posted by Neotronik
I'm not happy about Steve dissing Macworld NYC. Therefore I missed it too. Alot of people missed it. I bought my first mac because of Macworld 2001. The atmosphere was incredible and it was my first time seeing Steve and his keynote. I'm in the market for a new Mac this year; I ordered a dual 2ghz g5 but I may cancel; October is way off and the announcement of getting to 3ghz by next year has already been made. I may go for an amd 64 as it will be available soon and I will wait for apple to go to 3ghz. Again; If i'm forced to wait an the amd 64 comes out; Adios Apple. Adios Macworld too. The aura of the mac has worn thin on me. Steve Jobs has worn thin on me. Forcing hardware on you thatj outdates itself 3 - 6 months with no upgrade path is so big brother to me. No processor upgrades? Have to go to third parties; that stinks!!!! Forcing and OS down your throat isn't attractive either. I do audio; still waiting for good audio units. Thanks for abandoning os9 Steve. **** the other platform allows you to go all the way back to DOS; that's insane. (Hey don't kill me; Yeah; dos sucks and so did windows until 98SE) I think AMD is on the money; they are doing all the right things; I can buy an AMD now upgrade the motherboard if necessary and processor in a year and not have to spend 3000 dollars to do so. Why does that seem so much more appealing to me? Oh Yah; it makes alot of sense! it puts me back in control of things and gives me choices. I'm more comfortable with that.

AMD is doing everything right except making money. So while you might save money, its not helping AMD any. And you really wont be able to upgrade the AMD that much. the Athlon XP is done, no more upgrades the Athlon64 is coming out in 2 months and uses a different socket. I think i read something about a new duron that would take the place of the athlon, but who wants a duron?

And windows xp doesn't have dos.
 
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eclipse525

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Actually...I'm from NY and don't mind MacWorld being here but I'd like to see it held in different parts of the country. In a way, it would really make it special when it comes around to your area. As far as special announcements....how many special announcements can you possible have that are of significance. Limited platform with limited market share but HUGE potentional. Hmmm. What's the anwser?



~e
 
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eatme8888

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Who cares? I don't care where or if a Mac show is in Boston. There are very few people who live in Boston compared to the rest of the World Wide Web, and the rest of us couldn't care less about Boston.
 
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bokdol

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Originally posted by bastardx
Um, I somehow doubt that you can pay only 300 for the top of the line in AMD and Intel, lets, see here, according to newegg.com... Intel P4 3.2 GHz, 660 for an OEM chip, not quite 300... And that is the fastest model. And a Barton 3200+ costs 446 for an OEM chip, so for both of those chips, you still have to buy a Heatsink/Fan unit in order to run it without it shutting down at boot, or frying. I mean, yes, those upgrades are easy to do for desktops, that would probably be why I have a PC tower, but in my opinion, I think that apple makes the best notebooks, reguardless of when they were last released.

ok not top of the line (my mistake for comparing the top of the line i was meaning equal) but we cant compare the top of the line amd and p4 to the 1.4 g4..... the 1.4 g4 is closer to the mid level. lets say about 2.6 ghz p4 hell even a 2.8. a 2.8 well cost $263 and for the same price i can get a amd athlon xp 3000. i am not complaining about apple not making great computers, i am complaing about the upgrade manufactures charging an arm and a leg for upgrades. ag4 upgrade not g5 and not even the duals.... those well cost a couple hundred more....
 
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d00d

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I guess I won't be going to Macworld then. I was hoping to when it came to Boston, but I won't go to New York because it's just too expensive. Boston is a great city with character and history. Accommodations are significantly less costly than New York, which will allow for more people to come visit to see the expo. Additionally, more tech companies reside in Boston. Just because New York has more residents doesn't mean its a more appropriate venue for the expo.
 
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eclipse525

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First....before I start, if you've read my last post you'll see where I stand. Now, with that said...I'm sure Boston is a wonderful city and without a doubt a great history but it's not a pissing contest of who has the greatest city. New York, just like San Francisco most likely were pick because they are major hubs. Not to mention the Corporate/Industry and people density. All that adds up to more dollars. It's all about the might dollar. No more no less. Sad but true. I'd like to throw in the word "integrity" somewhere in this thread but not sure where it'll find in. Hmmmm........


~e
 
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vitaboy

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Perhaps the reason why NY makes more sense as a venue for MacWorld is that is one of the centers of the publishing and advertising industry. Since Apple still caters to and is dependent on these "creative professionals," it seems to make more strategic sense to have MacWorld in NY rather than Boston. Yeah, Boston has a lot of tech companies, but you have MacWorld SF for that.

It sucks that events have happened the way they did - IDG should have never considered as move back to Boston in the first place, as MacWorld NY had been gaining a lot of momentum (some 60,000 attendees before this year's "Creative Pro" expo). And being in the city where you have the studio headquarters of CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS certainly made it easier for Apple to get a lot of free media coverage, a benefit which I think IDG didn't factor when they decided to move back to Boston. All the reasons cited by Charlie Greco is more about IDC pocketing more money for themselves rather than for the overall benefit of the Mac market.
 
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