Uh, I would say that both of the examples given are highly propriatary mail interfaces. Even Entourage, micro$hafts own email client could not interface with Hotmail when it first came out. I belive they have now released a fix, but come on, that's retarded. And don't even get me started on AOL. Have you tried forwarding? I don't use AOL, but that's the only thing that I can think of that might work, unless you could rig up some applescript fix. I don't even know if you could get that to work. My advice, get a mac.com address.