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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by samcraig, May 13, 2018.
Maybe cloud services for the White House on Chinese soil, out of reach for any problematic investigators back home?
Is Trump this oblivious about his portryal of a lame brain in charge? It’s not going to get him an Emmy.
A comment posted over at TheVerge.
I don’t think this is the random act of management the critics are pointing it out to be.
I do. I'm basing this off of almost everything else Trump has done. The only thing that hasn't been random is him ripping people off and lying.
Also, it would be wise to wait to see what good ultimately comes from these meeting. People have been counting their chickens before they even have eggs in regards to this. We should keep our fingers crossed and wait.
Uh, anyone who thinks that Trump is some sort of master negotiator has not looked into his business history in any depth.
He appears to be playing 5D chess on a 1D board.
Trump: "Too many jobs in China lost!"
How the hell do the Trump-lovers even defend this statement? The US president is on a mission to bring back jobs to China? Make China Great Again? #MCGA
At face value, it does appear to be strange that Trump is helping a Chinese company, which is an exact contradiction to his MAGA strategy. That is until you dig a little and find out the truth of what's really going on. Then you realize this is click bait and actual intellectual dishonesty from the liberal left.
Here are the REAL FACTS and WHY Trump wants to help ZTE! As you can see, AMERICAN companies where banned from selling to ZTE! So, this would mean lost revenue in the billions "1.4 billion people in china" for US companies like Qualcomm and Intel, who provide SOCs and other chips. Looks like Trump is doing exactly what he promised, America First!
The U.S. Department of Commerce has banned American firms from selling components to the Chinese phone maker ZTE for seven years for violating the terms of a sanction.
The ban could significantly impact ZTE, which purchases 25 percent to 30 percent of components in its phones from U.S. companies, according to Reuters.
The U.S. action could be catastrophic for ZTE since American companies are estimated to provide 25 percent to 30 percent of the components used in ZTE’s equipment, which includes smartphones and gear to build telecommunications networks.
“If the issue cannot be solved smoothly and immediately, we think that ZTE will face tremendous disaster and would be forced to scale back on its smartphone business, not only in the U.S., but also in other markets,” said Strategy Analytics analyst Woody Oh.
Why is your leader helping a company that violated sanctions? Did you forget to mention who ZTE sold to? Does Iran and North Korea ring a bell?
No **** trade wars hurt both sides. If Trump wasn’t willing to take the pain of US job losses in addition to Chinese job losses he shouldn’t have tried to start a trade war. This is just another example of Trump having no clue what the consequences are of his actions and then trying to walk them back after he sees how they hurt us.
That's irrelevant to this thread. The thread was crafted to make Trump appear to be "China First", when in fact he's trying to lift the 7 year ban to help out AMERICAN companies. The US companies did not do this, the Chinese did. But if you ban American SOC chip makers from selling to a booming economy, then they will loose out in the long run. What Trump did was protect American businesses.
And increase the trade deficit since they buy out components, add value to them and resell them back to us.
So, now that THE FACTS come out, It's "Trump doesn't understand economics" and "ZTE was selling to big bad Iran". Just a few days ago you guys where fuming when Trump pulled out of the Iran deal, starting sanctions. But now China and Iran are BAD, because ZTE sold telecom gear to them and Trump is not looking out for American businesses?
Chronology doesn't work well with you, n'est-ce pas?
It mustn't, so let's catch you up on things. Let's take a ride in Mr. Peabody's WABACK, to 2017:
Bold for emphasis.
I can see why this would be confusing to you, as you are not understanding context with time. So let's be blunt.
ZTE got caught selling to Iran in 2016, when Iran was UNDER SANCTIONS.
Those sanctions were lifted in 2017. For added fuel to the counter argument, Boeing and Airbus entered into contracts to sell to Iran in 2017, when SANCTIONS WERE LIFTED.
Your argument falls flat, because you don't understand the concept and context of time relative to this issue.
You're missing the point entirely. I don't care if ZTE violated the US sanctions on Iran. The thread started out that Trump flip flopped on his America First strategy. I clearly pointed out the 7 year ban will have a huge disastrous impact on American technology companies long term. By ending the ban that will help American companies like Qualcomm and Intel get a foothold into booming foreign markets like China. The thread is completely misleading and I corrected the FUD.
It seems as if you're arguing that the ban will hurt American technology companies because this Chinese technology company will be unable to violate sanctions and sell American technology to Iran and North Korea.
Are you advocating that foreign companies should assist American technology companies in subverting American sanctions?
What exactly is your position here? It is unclear.
It's rather simple, really. Trump is trying to lift the ban to benefit American technology companies.
So Trump is trying to lift the ban on foreign companies to intentionally violate US law by selling US technology to countries he has just put under sanction again, thereby recreating the same problem that they were accused of doing two years ago.
That makes no sense, as it then helps ZTE and any other foreign company, but has them selling US technology to a foreign country that is under sanction again.
Illogical. and defeats the purpose of the sanction. idiotic move by Trump.
No, not really. If you're looking out for American companies, even if their trading partners violate a US law, that can be overlooked, or forgiven if damage can be done to US companies long term. This was obviously before Trump was in control long enough to be informed. In a logical sense, why would any US sitting president hinder a US company/s to sell chips to a foreign corporation for commercial sales, banning it for several years, so ZTE have no choice but to go with a Chinese, or other foreign company, thus blocking the possibility of billions in profit and hundreds, or thousands of jobs lost at the American company? Things aren't always black and white like that. Sometimes you have to look long term and make decisions to benefit American interests.
This thread was created from a tweet from POTUS. If you have a beef with the thread"s origination, have it with Trump. He could have elaborated on his statement. Also, as pointed out, this is what happens when you start a trade war. Actions have consequences. No click bait here.
If ZTE is the fourth largest company in those fields, so what? 3, 5 and 6 could almost certainly flow in and fill the gap left by the failure of 4. The demand is still there. It is hard to imagine that the chip makers would have trouble finding customers.
Oh, wait, could it be about this ?
A subsidiary of Chinese state-owned construction firm Metallurgical Corporation of China (MCC) signed a deal with Indonesia’s MNC Land to build a theme park outside Jakarta … – expected to be backed with up to US$500 million in Chinese government loans – … The project includes Trump-branded hotels, residences and a golf course, as well as other hotel, shopping and residential developments.
Why defend the indefensible?
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat it (paraphrased as, "Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it."). - George Santayana.
You need to have a look back at your history books as well as brush up on your 80s movie culture. Cases in point: the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, and Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
Why did I mention those? Here's why. That classic scene with Ben Stein during that economics class. The topic he was talking about was not only just ad libbed (he went raw with that; unscripted), but what he was talking about was absolutely true, as he talked about the biggest catalyst of the Great Depression: the Smoot-Hawley tariff, the biggest protectionist tariff the country had ever seen. I'll let NPR continue the story:
This is what protectionism gets you. And funnily enough, we are nearly 100 years on from the point in time that caused this.
Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it. Apparently Trump and other protectionists have not learned from their history, and thanks to that ignorance, we may be doomed to repeating it again.