Man pleads guilty to coercing moms to molest their children.

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  1. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    So basically, this guy met women on single parent dating sites and said he was some psychologist. He told them that performing sex acts on their children would make their children more sexually healthy or some crap. Then he would watch them do it over web cam. Now, my question is, who should do more prison time? Him for being a creep, or the moms for being so weak and actually letting someone convince them to molest their children from afar. I mean come on, he wasn't holding a gun to their heads. What a crazy story...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110301/ap_on_re_us/us_fake_psychologist_sex_abuse
     
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  3. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    Without excusing his actions, I'm a little unclear as to where the coercion comes into play, unless it stems from the "threat" of him not going out with these weak-minded fools, err...mothers.

    "Diddle your kid for his health and I'll date you" should raise all kinds of red flags, alarm bells, sirens, and above all, a call the the authorities.
     
  4. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    Coercion isn't limited to using threats, it can include the use of rewards or other pressures. These women were gullible to say the least.
     
  5. likemyorbs thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Exactly! don't get me wrong, this guy needs to go to jail for something, probably child pornography charges. But these mothers should be taking the worst of the punishment because it's really their fault, not his.
     
  6. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    "Coercion" is a poor choice, as that specifically denotes manipulation by threat. If there is an English word that describes the particular sort of manipulation in use here, it is not springing to mind, but I think our attentions are better invested in the act itself than the word used to describe it. This is a heavily mitigating circumstance, and honestly I think the mothers involved will need therapy as much as their children do, certainly more so than they need jail time.

    As far as red flags and such, have you ever really thought about why you get so many badly spelled emails about boner pills and refinancing your mortgage? It's because, yes, some people really are that dumb. Dumb enough that firing the same stupid email to a billion people makes economic sense. And this creep's strategy is probably similar. He wouldn't open chat by saying "diddle your kid and I'll date you." He probably has a strategy that, in most cases, drives off the smart ones before they have hard evidence of where he's going with it and gives him feedback about which ones are stupid enough that he can push farther. Deception like this almost has to be a "boil the frog" type thing, because you'd have to build someone's trust and confidence enough that they will surrender their own better judgment.

    When you're talking about women on dating sites, that's a whole other matter, too. Women tend to count themselves lucky if a guy's icebreaker isn't a picture of some porn star's schlong and a claim that he is "separated." Don't be surprised if every red flag for creepiness doesn't end up on the police blotter.
     
  7. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    "Dumb enough" is not a defense to a crime unless it rises to a certain level of mental incompetence and/or insanity. Desperation for companionship isn't a defense either. I do, however, agree that these women need therapy, and there will be plenty of time for that, after they get out of prison one day.
     
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    You take a lonely, depressed single mother, some of whom had children with various developmental problems -- combine that with what appeared (to them)to be a good looking, smart doctor and I could easily see how that could happen.

    People get caught up in facebook/internet fantasy lives all the time to cope. Someone in a fragile mental state can be very suggestible.

    Sad for the kids involved.
     
  9. likemyorbs thread starter macrumors 68000

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    These "mothers" need jail time, and then they need to be prohibited from ever having children. When a man molests children they deserve jail time, but when women do it they need therapy? :rolleyes:
     
  10. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    versus

    Hope you don't mind. I took your term "that," and expanded it, with specific quotes from the article.

    I did, however, leave your use of the word "easily" intact.
     
  11. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    Generally speaking when women molest children they deserve jail time. When fragile and suggestible women are manipulated to do something they would otherwise never consider because a person posing as a doctor successfully makes them mistrust their own judgment, I don't think that's the same thing.

    It's just like the people who have no sympathy for fraud victims, who mock them and insist they're far too smart to fall for something so obvious (after the fact, of course)… until they do. People are far more suggestible, and some people far better at exploiting suggestibility, than most people realize. In some ways, actually, the people who think they're too smart to be fooled can be the easiest to fool.

    I'm not saying I would just let this go if I were the district attorney, but I would in no way be confident that a jury would hand down a conviction once the defense has put a traumatized, crying mother on the stand to testify that she and her child were victimized by a Svengali posing as a doctor.
     
  12. likemyorbs thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Soo you're comparing people who were tricked into giving up their money to a mother who gave her 8 year old autistic son a bj? Sorry but I'm not buying this argument. If I were on the jury I would have no sympathy for these moms, they can cry all they want. Clearly they're unfit to be mothers. No person in their right mind would perform sex acts on their kids and broadcast it via webcam, i don't care how "vulnerable" they are. And it also seems like a double standard here as I said before, if it's a woman who did it then she must have been vulnerable and depressed, but if a man did it he's a sick pervert. I ain't buying it.
     
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    All other things being equal, women statistically receive significantly lighter sentences for the same crimes committed by men. So, yes. :rolleyes:
     
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    This reminds me of that crazy story of some guy calling a mcdonalds pretending to be a cop and forcing an employee to perform fellatio on a coworker. What have we come to?
     
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    Hopefully you wouldn't get on a jury where you've already decided they're guilty.
     
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    Hopefully she won't get on a jury where they've already decided she's innocent.
     
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    Face...palm....these people are allowed to vote.
     
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    Due process . . . beyond a reasonable doubt . . . if you believe in that type of thing.
     
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    Hopefully she won't get before a judge who agrees that she's too pretty for jail.
     
  20. barkomatic macrumors 68040

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    Do you think I don't recognize the seriousness of the situation? I'm not sure what other point you wanted to make by making up a pretend quote from me.

    Of course the guy and the women involved should be punished according to the law. However, simply throwing them in prison and shaking our heads at the monstrous acts they committed certainly doesn't help at trying to prevent stuff like this in the future does it?
     
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    You are correct. This incident is very much like the "strip search prank call scam" that occurred over a 10 year period. One of the key psychological aspects of the scam/manipulation is the fact that the perpetrator identifies themself as a "trustworthy expert" and "authority figure". In the strip search prank the man identified himself as law enforcement and in this new scam/abuse the perpetrator identified himself as a doctor.

    In the McDonald's incident the man who followed the phone callers directions and molested the employee was held responsible for his actions and convicted. This is a sad story with multiple victims no matter what angle you take on it. The mother's involved need support, but should be held accountable at the same time.
     
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    You sure know a lot about depraved sex crimes. ;)
     
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    Being an "authority figure" like me has its privileges. ;)
     
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    I know you are not one, but there is a school of thought, that Psychiatrists are all crazy, and got into it at school, in an attempt to figure out WTH was wrong with them.

    :rolleyes:
     

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