Man Robs Bank To Get Medical Care In Jail

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  1. Illuminated macrumors 6502a

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    ...in jail.

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    Whats your take on this? I think it's sad that someone has to resort to this to get medical help. Some may say that he needs to work for his health insurance...

    Heres my stance on healthcare. Why put a dollar sign on human life? All the health insurance companies want is money. They don't care about the life of people. If the person has a lot of money, they will give them insurance. If the person doesn't have money, screw them. That's where this entire structure is wrong. 100% wrong. Why put a value on human life. It shouldn't matter how much money you make. If you're sick/injured, you should get the medical help you need for free. You can't put a price tag on a human life. I'm sick of paying for health insurance when I'm not sick. I hate paying for a doctors visit when I AM sick or if I get a check up.

    What if the place I worked at didn't offer health insurance at a company discount? I'm not a bad person. I'm working, but not getting paid nearly enough to pay for my own health insurance. What? Should I have to work 4 jobs, not have a life, JUST to see a doctor to cure my illness?

    I hate this entire health care system. I hate walking past suffering homeless people because the health insurance companies don't cater to them, because they don't have the money.

    The big wigs shouldn't be playing god for our lives.

    What this guy did was smart. He's beating a corrupt system.
     
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  3. tktaylor1 macrumors 6502a

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    What a sad world we live in. Nobody should have to go to such extremes to receive medical attention.
     
  4. Scepticalscribe Contributor

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    Access to adequate health care is - or ought to be - a basic human right instead of a privilege which is predicated on whether or not someone is able to afford it. Agreed, this is a very sad story.
     
  5. Illuminated thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    CANNOT AGREE MORE!

    I'm glad I'm not the only who feels this way.
     
  6. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    We do this all the time. Have you ever accepted paid employment in your life? Congratulations, you just accepted a dollar value on yourself. Your salary is what you're worth to your employer. Do you have a life insurance policy on yourself or a spouse? Well done, you've decided what your or their life is worth in monetary terms.

    All the farmers want is money. They don't care about the life of people. If a person has money, they will sell them food. If the person doesn't have money, screw them. If you're hungry, you should get the food you need for free. I'm sick of paying for food when I AM hungry.

    Sounds pretty absurd, doesn't it. Of course, one needs food arguably more than one needs a doctor, so why don't we just make all food free?

    Further, if no one pays for insurance when they're well, then from where will the money come to give you your free care when you're sick?

    So you should get free medical care because you feel you deserve it?

    Guess what, life is unfair.
     
  7. Illuminated thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    You can get food for free. Hunt for it. Easy. Or grow your own food. Easy again.

    Can you give surgery to yourself? Give your self a cast? No. That's why we have doctors and hospitals. The fact that they can turn people away when they're sick or in pain, because they can't afford health insurance is absurd.
     
  8. citizenzen Suspended

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    According to conservatives.

    On the other hand, more liberal-minded people see healthcare as a fundamental responsibility of a technologically modern society.

    Other countries manage to provide it. The U.S. should too. All we have to do is give up our desire to be the Roman Empire. I'd say it's a fair trade.
     
  9. Illuminated thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I hate the comparison of getting food for free from restaurants/farms to health care...

    thats like comparing apples to coconuts. You can easily obtain food for free, but you can't obtain health care for free. End of argument.
     
  10. IntelliUser macrumors 6502

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    Guess what, we don't have to be a bunch of passive *******s and we can try to make it fairer whatever way we can. And it's OUR fault why a big part of it is unfair in the first place. WE invented this system.

    Your mentality is BAD.
     
  11. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    Then please - go hunt and farm for a year, procuring and producing enough to feed yourself without spending a penny. Show us all how it's done, unless you plant to hunt naked with a sharpened stick you found on the ground and plow the field with your bare hands.

    Convince me that a doctor or surgeon should be compelled to give up his time and energy making you all better with no compensation. And last time I checked, hospitals can't turn anyone away.

    I'm still waiting to hear where the money is going to come from...

    No, according to Nature.

    That and turning a tearful eye to the greener shores of Europe with hands out and a healthy dose of the gimmies.

    [/quote]Other countries manage to provide it. The U.S. should too. All we have to do is give up our desire to be the Roman Empire. I'd say it's a fair trade.[/QUOTE]
    Right, as soon as we dismantle the Empire, the government, who has proven time and again that it is a poor steward of our tax money, is going to take all the money saved and turn it towards healthcare. Your statement is incredibly naive.

    I had no idea I had a hand in creating our current health care system. What part did you play?

    No, my mentality is realistic.
     
  12. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    And that is why there should be a national healthcare system. It should be a basic right that is covered by Taxes and the government pays for it.
     
  13. appleguy123 macrumors 603

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    CC is being realistic, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't work to make healthcare a right. It just won't be easy.
    All these claims were once realistic, but now are looked at as crazy.
    -people die before age 40
    -it takes months to travel across the country
    -it takes weeks to months to deliver a message to people far away.

    We all need to work together for the health of our citizens. The idea that healthcare was once only for the rich should sound as old fashioned and crazy as the above statements.
     
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    I've got free healthcare; my only cost is the gasoline used to drive to the facility. ;)
     
  15. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    Agreed.

    Healthcare is a right. A fundamental human right. It's immoral for a portion of the population to get top care thanks to their platinum health plans, and for another portion to not even get basic care because it costs an arm and a leg.

    There are services that cannot and should not be privatized.
     
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    That's not with what I'm taking issue. I'm taking issue with the OP's candy-coated rainbowland idea that whatever your ailment or condition, you should be able to walk into a hospital and not have to pay a dime and pretend it's free. We're all going to pay for it, it's just a question of who pays and how much.

    Why?
    Equal outcomes for all I say! Free food and mansions all around!
     
  17. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    Why is that so outlandish to you? Seems pretty logical to me.
     
  18. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    No that is not it.
    There are many things we can control. Basic food needs cost about the same for everyone and our goverment more or less makes sure everyone can met those needs. Anything above that requires yes we pay for out of pocket but it is enough food to live very healthy on.

    Our housing needs for the most part we can get to those requirements fairly easily at the low end and again low end is the same for everyone.


    Health needs well that is does vary a lot person to person. Get cancer your needs are in very costly. Get some other random sickness again eyone our control.
    My sanity currently cost me around a 100 a month and insurance helps out paying for the doctor but I am still paying a 100 a month for the pills just to keep my sane because of my depression. Most people do not suffer from that.

    Health care is a right. If you feel otherwise do not go to the doctor, do not get insurance because you feel it should always be payed out of pocket.

    basic health care is a right and what is basic is pretty much the standard insurance policy company give employees. Plus it already been shown on looking at other countries if they US would go to a single payer system the amount our goverment would pay out would be less than currently paying and privite cost would drop like a rock. Just look at countries that have it.
     
  19. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    Because without it, not only do your chances of premature death skyrocket, but you cost everyone else more through increased hospital billing (to make up the difference when some don't have insurance) and allowing serious illnesses to progress to worse stages, costing the hospital more to treat it (a bill which we end up paying for anyways).

    Quite frankly, it's financially stupid not to have universal insurance in place (Note: this is not the same thing as universal health service).

    I don't think anyone is advocating for equal outcomes, but we are advocating for equal opportunity. Social mobility is already so low in the US that statistically if you can't afford health insurance, your offspring can't either.

    All that does is punish the those who are unlucky enough to be porn poor.
     
  20. tktaylor1 macrumors 6502a

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    Bro, I feel you here. Depression is a rough thing to go through. I am only 18 and depression has taken up about 3 years of my life so far.
     
  21. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    yep. 2nd time on meds for me and the first time I was a borderline candidate for constant medication. After I needed them again the doctor pretty much said it going to be a constant thing for the rest of my life. We the first point that it even looks likely that it can be discussed going off the meds is in 18 months best case as that is the first change that nothing would of changed for 6 months.

    Problem is only 1 pill is approved to treat anxiety and depression and sadly there is no generic out for it so it is 3 bucks a day for a pill.

    I feel better on them and people tell me it is a night and day difference. I am much more myself so to speak when I am on them.
    Depression/anxiety is something I have stugled with all my life and at 28 it pretty much a sure thing that it is not going away.
     
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    I've been to psychologists but that is about it. I just keep waiting and seeing if I can fight through it on my own. The psychologist helps but for 100 bucks an hour it is hard to keep going money wise.
     
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    My life improved dramatically once I could afford rich porn.
     
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    Arf.:D
     

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