"many women left their kitchens to go out and go door to door and to put yard signs up for me"

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    - John Kaisch, "moderate" Republican



    This political party is in real trouble.
     
  2. edk99, Feb 22, 2016
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    BOTH political parties are in trouble and it is pretty hard to say which one is worse.

    As for his comment. He said "MANY" women not "ALL" women. There are still "MANY" women that are stay at home moms so i'm not seeing the big deal with it. If he said "MANY" working women would you be offended too?
     
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    what he does not think most women should stay home and have babies? not much of a republican then.
     
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    You could always have crazy old white ladies stump for you.



     
  5. bent christian, Feb 22, 2016
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    Yes, you don't see the big deal. You are totally deaf to the words. And they are too. This is why the party is in such trouble. Fighting for it's very existence over the next decade, perhaps.
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    This what we expect from the establishment. Identity politics is a lazy person's game.

    The difference? Clinton (and Sanders) still has the "female vote" pretty well locked.
     
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    You hear what you want to hear. It is very obvious.
     
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    that was pretty stupid.
     
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    You have that part down.
     
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    Context is key, between the 5 and 8 second mark: Given how he trailed off, said "um" to try to find his lost words, realized he can't stand there doing that forever, and segued to "women getting out of their kitchens", it seems like he meant to say a bit more before mentioning the women, and from his generational standpoint. The person who responded to him, by saying she would support him but not from the kitchen is equally relevant and I think he realized he made an unintentional gaffe.

    Granted, he was first elected in 1995, but his age is in the general populace that has seen rather a lot since the 1940s...

    Do I believe or think he's legitimately sexist? Insufficient data. But the gaffe, as demonstrated in that video, did have enough pre-gaffe context to rule out deliberate sexism.
     
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    If Kasich makes a run at this, I'm sure they'll find a whole hell of alot worse that he said on Fox News.
     
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    That's an interesting rationalization, if desperate.

    The quote is fully in-context, BTW.
     
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    "MANY" being the key word. I don't know which word is best used, of which "all" clearly is not! Maybe "some"?

    But, again, the context he was in before going "um" and shifting a couple seconds later, I don't believe he was being intentional. Maybe I'm wrong, I can't always tell vocal inflection or even then people don't always use the intended inflection and it's by pure accident rather than some big tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.
     
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    And Kasich's one of the sane ones. Sigh. What a ludicrous thing for him to have said, but that's probably because it's taken out of context. I do sometimes tire of the press and their eternal quest for clickbait quotes and video clips. Still, the politicians seek the camera, and the public seems increasingly unable or unwilling to discern good from bad publicity.

    At least he didn't say many women left their law offices to go put up yard signs. Mr. Kasich should beware the ladies who lunch. Not all of them lunch in a friend's kitchen forever. I'm reading Senator Claire McCaskill's book "Plenty Ladylike: A Memoir"...

    This election season is the worst I've ever seen and it's barely begun. I have my passport, walking stick and running shoes. So far I'm not throwing in the towel on the USA and my advancing age does put a little drag on desire to emigrate. I have often enough said if I were 40 I'd be shopping for another country. Really though that amounts to quitting. My ancestors would not be proud. Supposed to roll up sleeves and try to make a better place out of wherever you are. Some days, though, it seems like the right to vote and speak out are not a big enough set of tools. Maybe I'm not talking to the right people. Does someone have a list of the big money donors? ;)
     
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    Desperate? How so? At least you admit it's interesting, suggesting someone is thinking out of the box instead of being enslaved to and stuck inside it.

    Especially when most people think I'm a bernie commie socialist and all... why would I try to find a positive on all politicians? Or at least most, there are a couple times where they are so dim that their even showing up is a gaffe and an intentional one!

    Referring to LizKat above, I presume?
     
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    Fox is so far right they'd think having Kasich as President is as bad as losing to Hillary Clinton? If Fox goes after Kasich, um... I think Twitter has a catchall hashtag for dumb and dumber.


    As far as context, I mean Kasich in context of his campaign overall does not seem intentionally sexist to me. Of course I regret that he is against a woman's right to choose. I don't happen to automatically conflate that stance with sexism. There are women who are anti-choice as well. So I wouldn't call that sexist, just... backwards.
     
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    Sane governors don't cut funding for PP.
     
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    Yeah I think that's pandering. Sanity is all relative this year.
     
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    I wouldn't say it's sexist, but it is kinda out of touch these days.
     
  20. bent christian, Feb 22, 2016
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    1983? Only slightly more common. I grew up in the middle class 1980's. Mine and pretty much all my friends' mothers worked. In my experience, it was less common than common to have a mother who could afford to stay home in the 1980's.
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    So, internally sexist the only only metric we go by? The subconscious can tell us a lot about a person.

    But to my original point: this is the moderate Republican.

    Is this a party in it's death throws, nationally? Are we looking at a purely regional party now?
     
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    Those were better times and they are long gone ...!
     
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    If that is his recollection of how he got elected, how is it sexist or degrading? The women who didn't work and had extra time came out in support is all he said. Now, as a politician, he should be able to anticipate the reaction to his words. Not a wise comment by any measure. But the manufactured outrage over it is a bit much and I think you need to go outside for a breather.

    FWIW, I grew up during that time as well and probably 2/3 of friends' mothers stayed home to take care of the family. Anecdotes are fun. Or you could see for yourself if pretty much all mothers were working.

    http://www.dol.gov/wb/stats/facts_over_time.htm#wilf
     
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    IMO, the recollection itself is telling. How a person chooses to remember the past can also tell quite a bit about a person currently. Accurate or not, we can't know now.
     
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    like I said, better times in some regards, how many can afford for their SO to stay at home nowadays? both parents working leaves the kids vulnerable to plenty of stupidity that lands them in jail
     
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    Depends on when they work. It's kind of a recent American thing to assume that one parent has to be with their child 24/7, or else they'll turn into smacked out pimps and/or serial killers. Here, we fret if two kids walk to the playground by themselves, but just about everywhere else, sending the kids out among a group, where the other kids supervise the younger ones, is a pretty common.

    ...and if they die because they stuck their heads in a woodchipper, well, then they didn't deserve to carry on the family name. The kids that live get the glory.
     

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