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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by rdowns, Apr 8, 2013.
Parties being rapidly organised all over London,I'll be at the one in Windrush Square Brixton if anyone wants a free drink.
P.S. looks like the big party will be Trafalgar Square starting 6pm.
A song that sums up many peoples feelings: Margaret On The Guillotine/ Morrissey:
Well, whatever one thinks of her legacy, or irrespective of where one finds oneself (or places oneself) on the political spectrum, there is no denying her political and historical importance.
I was taught that if you have nothing good to say about the deceased...say nothing.
Love her or hate her she changed the world. Too bad most of her change destructive rather than constructive.
Not many people in my area have a lot of nice things to say about her. I can't comment since I wasn't even alive when she was PM, but whatever she did, it pissed a lot of people off.
I was born just three years before she resigned, so I don't really know much about her besides what I've read in some books (not much about her really), but generally speaking, I've always seen her shown as a leader that changed the UK in a good way. Economically speaking she is said to have made the UK again a world power.
And though she might not have been the best, why do you consider her as "destructive"?
I find it odd that her obituaries all cite how much should stood by her convictions. Perhaps that is a good trait, but another way of putting it is that she cling to certain beliefs in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
In any case, I do think she should be remembered in part for protecting the people of the Falklands from a despotic regime, but then again the soldiers, sailors, pilots, medics really deserve the credit for that.
I had read that she had been suffering from Alzheimer's for quite a few years so once that happens than it's only a matter of time.
I've never seen people be so happy when a person dies. I'm an American, so she didn't affect me much, but it's a weird cultural phenomenon. I imagine that when Bush dies, people won't cheer even though a lot of Americans don't like him.
Oh I disagree. People will be throwing parties when Bush kicks. Cheney too.
You can put me down for a post-Cheney hootenany.
How rosy it was before Thatcher - 'Thatch', 'little bit of politics' crap - with rubbish piling up, lights going out, IMF bailout, and Management and Unions in denial...happy days.
The first government I became aware of was hers, age - which also had me leaning to the left. I took against her and was naive enough to have hope when Labour - Tony B. and Co. - got in; that soon died. I now take the view things couldn't go on as they were and that government made a start on change. The problem I have is the revenge element she carried into office; the Unions needed tackling, but she was going after them regardless, and she continued to kick people when they were on the floor.
I'm not happy or sad about her death, it just is. Now if Bob Crowe had died . Anyway, there is a more important event today - 8 PM UK, 3 PM Eastern.
R.i.p., Prime Minister
Sure you have. May 2, 2011. Not big on celebrating death myself.
The only amusement I see is the people who saw #nowthatcherisdead and thought Cher was dead. You would have thought people would learn the value of punctuation after expertsexchange.com.
RIP Margret Thatcher.
I'll raise a glass of Bells for her this evening.
Fortunately there is one death I can truly celebrate today - and that's the death of Socialism in the UK that Thatcher (and her prodigy Blair) brought about.
Now that is something to smile about.
Aside from the fact that unemployment (including all those on incapacity benefits who probably can work) is much higher than it was.
I think her policies were awful and I disagreed with almost all of them, but its disgusting how these celebration parties have popped up.
Well... you wouldn't want an amateur to do something like that, would you?
Gloating about the death of Margaret Thatcher.
Stay classy, people.
Yes, nicely phrased, and I'm largely in agreement with you.
I'm not gloating about her death.
However I will not be mourning her.
I grew up in the midlands, one of many areas that had its industry ransacked.
In its place went big bang economics. The deregulation of the city. The start of casino banking in the UK... We all know what that led to eventually. But that benefitted one area. London and the South East.
Make no mistake the unions and lacklustre management were as much to blame, however she refused to negotiate full stop. I can understand that with terrorism, but she turned against her own kind. She was born working class and her policies threw most of them on the scrapheap. Maybe not all of them immediately, but long term the manufacturing base of this country has been wiped out as her policies were continued long after she left office.
Labour provided some hope in 1997, but this soon evaporated when it became obvious that Tony B.Liar was not really a socialist or even a social democrat. He should've been a tory party member. Add to that his involvement in an illegal war and the founding of the police state here.
Yes her legacy lives on. Britain is devolving into a third world nation, with the exception of the city, who got away with holding the whole country to ransom.
So what do I feel for her. Nothing. I offer my condolences to her children Mark and Carol, but aside from that, I want nothing to do with it.
I've just come back from the party in Brixton I'm proud of them,even though everybody knew it would be a media set up people came out and expressed themselves.The Samba band did a one hour version of "Maggie,Maggie,Maggie,dead,dead,dead.
As for the sentimentalised bollocks about not speaking ill of the dead,would you feel the same about Hitler,Stalin,Pol Pot,Nixon,Reagan or Bush 2 that's the scale of damage she did.
Goodbye and good riddance.
PS by the way big up to the people of Glasgow who turned up in larger numbers than even Brixton.