Maria Butina Pleads Guilty to Role in a Russian Effort to Influence Conservatives

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    Well… The word witch is not gender-specific. ;)
    link (and they should know)
     
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    Harry was not called a witch........... he was a wizard and a damn good one at that..................:p
     
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    And… women can be wizards.

    People are just not used to that.

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    Because a wizard is a wizard. The closest comparison would be Witch/Warlock.
     
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    Did they weigh her against a duck to find out if she really was a witch?
     
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    Can someone point out the sinister aspect here? Because on the surface, it seems no different than any of the other lobbyists running around DC, and I wasn't aware that it was criminal to seek to attempt to bring countries together. Do we need to close down all of the embassies and not speak to anyone not holding a US passport?
     
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    President Donald Trump's press conference with Russia's Vladimir Putin:



    He either lied or was completely wrong. Has to be one of the biggest failures of a US President in foreign policy in history. How can Trump supports still defend him?
     
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    thought you had to burn them at the stake for that?
     
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    Unregistered foreign lobbyist - it's against the law, plain and simple.
     
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    :eek: Wha?!! It can't be that simple!
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/politics/maria-butina-guilty-plea/index.html
    Oh wait, you're right it is THAT plain & simple.

    Really? Some others can't see that? o_O Really?
     
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    That you & lot of other people don't seem to have a problem with it.

    Yeah, yeah, I know all the 'cool kids' want to say, well we do it & everyone else so what's the big deal? The big deal is you still don't have to be cool with it. More importantly, you should NOT be cool with it a Russian spy helped place someone or worked with someone to get into the oval office. Otherwise, what does that say about the person in the oval office?
     
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    I am not cool. She was found, she is going to jail. It's important, but let's not make it something that is a statement on our politics and/or the end of the world. Heck, even red alert high security Los Alamos was breached by Russian spies!!!
     
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    In furtherance of the conspiracy, Butina drafted a proposal in March of 2015 titled Description of the Diplomacy Project. In it, Butina downplayed the possibility of influencing U.S. foreign policy toward Russia through official channels, criticizing government unwillingness to compromise. As an alternative, Butina suggested that Russia could use unofficial channels of communication to the same end. Butina then cast herself as a possible unofficial transmitter of communications between Russia and the United States. Further, Butina opined that the circumstances were favorable for building relations with a certain U.S. political party (hereafter, “Political Party #1”). Butina predicted that the candidate nominated by Political Party #1 would likely win the upcoming U.S. presidential election. Pointing to her recent travel to the United States, her experience, and her attendance at conferences organized by a certain U.S. civil society gun rights organization (hereafter, “Gun Rights Organization”), which Butina posited had influence over Political Party #1, Butina stated she had laid the groundwork for an unofficial channel of communication with the next U.S. administration. For example, Butina listed actions she had already taken, including being introduced to leaders of Political Party #1 as an unofficial representative of Russian Official. She also identified in her proposal a series of upcoming conferences associated with Political Party #1 that she could attend to further the goal.

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    Unfortunately, some of the juicy details are kept hidden.

    Finally, if this case had proceeded to trial, the government would have shown that Butina took one or more actions in furtherance of the conspiracy from within the District of Columbia.
     
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    Still, it involved what some would consider our most important election. THAT carries a little weight that many are concerned with. Or perhaps more important issues like voter Koff Bull puckey Koff fraud is more important and who knows how much money & effort republicans have put into that sham? So yeah, let's make it a big issue, especially with all the crap swirling around the campaign she wanted to aid.
     
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    Meh, every election is the "most important". That's the point of the elections, they change the world; every time.
    At any rate, I'll wait and see.
     
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    That's a luxury you believe you can afford. Some would argue with all the swirling going around, waiting is NOT the best strategy. Especially if it's found out that this administration and it's head are actually guilty, and some thought it was good idea to wait around and see how much more damage can be caused. You wait, we wait, we have no choice, just as long as it's being looked into and not glossed over because of 'Meh'. :rolleyes:
     
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    the "most important election" and we only picked from 2 clowns , this was the perfect storm for a third party, ANY third party to make their mark and they still got nowhere :(
     
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    Still the point being no matter how clowns you do or don't fit in the clown car, the car/election is what was important. We make do with what we have, and we hope we can make it better based on what we've learned. Something we should have learned, but some intentionally don't want to because they believe it benefitted them, that an outside foreign power can taint things. That's something we should work harder to prevent, and punish those who may have helped such a hostile foreign power. :mad:
     
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    well, you could say we got what we earned as well, we interfere on elections all over the world all the time..........
     
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    We came, we saw, he died...
     
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    No, only the 'cool kids' as I mentioned earlier say that as a cop out. Yes we get involved in other countries affairs under the umbrella of 'national security'. But we don't & should never just accept it, anymore than other countries would. A country's elections are of paramount importance and should always be treated that way. Not only when it's a matter of convenience or used subjectively when it benefits one party over another. Otherwise when discussing the importance of voting next time, you throw in the caveat that your vote doesn't really matter because we meddled in other country's elections. Funny but I never heard that disclaimer during any 'get out the vote' drives.
     

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