Mars Has the Same Temperature as Earth, so Climate Change is a Hoax

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How scary that this man is a state senator. Even scarier is we have a few dozen in Congress who likely agree with him.

Climate denial is alive and well in Kentucky—but it has taken an odd new twist.

Republican state Sen. Brandon Smith had this to say about global warming last Thursday during a hearing convened by the Kentucky Interim Joint Committee on Natural Resources and Environment:

"I don't want to get into the debate about climate change. But I will just simply point out that I think that in academia we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here. Nobody will dispute that. Yet there are no coal mines on Mars, there's no factories on Mars that I'm aware of. So I think what we're looking at is something much greater than what we're going to do."

Smith's statement contains the standard argument advanced by climate deniers: The idea that human activity, like the burning of fossil fuels, has not caused global warming. That runs counter to the scientific consensus: Peer-reviewed literature surveys indicate that 97 percent of climate scientists agree that the planet is heating up and that human activity is the primary driver of that change.

But the Republican lawmaker explores a fresh take with his interstellar comparison. There are indeed no coal mines on Mars, but most everything else in Smith's statement is factually bankrupt.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/kentucky-senator-on-global-warming-there-are-no-coal-mines-on-mars-20140708


 

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I heard that the earth is heating up because the solar system is in transit across the plane of the galaxy.
 

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It's been my experience that becoming a state senator is a rather low bar, giving outlet to various dummies and cranks for decades.

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I heard that the earth is heating up because the solar system is in transit across the plane of the galaxy.
Sure, why not. Let's go for some cosmic cause rather than looking at the gigatons of CO2 we produce each year.
 

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It's been my experience that becoming a state senator is a rather low bar, giving outlet to various dummies and cranks for decades.

That's been my recent experience with Congress.
 

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Sen. Brandon Smith home district (District 30) is in the heart of Kentucky's coal country and he is quite proud of his pro-coal position. Coal companies and pro-coal groups appreciate politicians who are "friends of coal" so they are proud to contribute to Smith's political campaigns. It's the sort of a "quid pro coal" arrangement that's hard for a politician to resist.
 

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Unfortunately politicians are rarely if ever required to take competency, intelligence, or educational standards tests. We get what we elect.

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I heard that the earth is heating up because the solar system is in transit across the plane of the galaxy.
The celestial web causes friction with the Earth's atmosphere as we rub against it.
 

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Unfortunately politicians are rarely if ever required to take competency, intelligence, or educational standards tests. We get what we elect. ...
Listen to Sen. Smith speeches and you'll quickly see he's not the village idiot type. He simply sold his soul to the coal industry years ago. He been in a continuous state of denial since that time regarding the ill effects of coal on both people and the planet, etc. He's willing to publicly regurgitate whatever talking points his coal industry handlers might hand him, no matter how absurd they might be.
 
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Listen to Sen. Smith speeches and you'll quickly see he's not the village idiot type. He simply sold his soul to the coal industry years ago. He been in a continuous state of denial since that time regarding the ill effects of coal on both people and the planet, etc. He's willing to publicly regurgitate whatever talking points his coal industry handlers might hand him, no matter how absurd they might be.
As much as I would like to say that American politicians are #1 in stupidity or corruption, as I look around the planet I fear that most places are worse. Of the large countries, in recent years Germany probably has a better track record (of electing relatively intelligent and not obviously corrupt political leaders) on the whole than the U.S. Anyplace else? I'm sure the Scandinavian countries are governed better, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, but these are all countries with relatively low populations. (And, Australia seems to have elected a virtual American politician recently.) France? Italy? The UK?
 

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As much as I would like to say that American politicians are #1 in stupidity or corruption, as I look around the planet I fear that most places are worse. Of the large countries, in recent years Germany probably has a better track record (of electing relatively intelligent and not obviously corrupt political leaders) on the whole than the U.S. Anyplace else? I'm sure the Scandinavian countries are governed better, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, but these are all countries with relatively low populations. (And, Australia seems to have elected a virtual American politician recently.) France? Italy? The UK?
True, but the US has a huge ecological footprint, so when it adopts a policy it usually has far reaching effects on the entire planet.

 

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Listen to Sen. Smith speeches and you'll quickly see he's not the village idiot type. He simply sold his soul to the coal industry years ago. He been in a continuous state of denial since that time regarding the ill effects of coal on both people and the planet, etc. He's willing to publicly regurgitate whatever talking points his coal industry handlers might hand him, no matter how absurd they might be.
Ah yes, the quid pro quo corruption factor.
 

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Ah yes, the quid pro quo corruption factor.
The pro-coal group is usually much better organized that the NRA or the religious zealots in coal country. No coal country politician in their right mind would dare to speak up against King Coal!

Pro-coal has compiled a series of educational programs and materials that are presented in the public school systems as facts of history and science. "Friends of Coal" groups sponsor everything from car shows to country music/coal love festivals. Yadda, yadda, yadda...

If you're willing to throw a little bit of money at the problem, even a dirty rock like coal can be turned into a sex symbol...

 
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If you're willing to throw a little bit of money at the problem, even a dirty rock like coal can be turned into a sex symbol...
Does anyone even mine coal that way anymore? I got the impression it had prettymuch gone over to changing the landscape, and providing very few jobs in the process.
 

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Does anyone even mine coal that way anymore? I got the impression it had prettymuch gone over to changing the landscape, and providing very few jobs in the process.
Underground mining? Yeah, it's still being done. But you're right, the surface operations, particularly mountaintop removal, typically produce much more coal with far fewer workers. The charts below can be used to compare employment and productivity data (in the U.S.)

In my immediate area, there are two underground mines and one surface operation. The coal from the underground mines is meteorological coal, which usually sells at a higher price, as it's more suitable for steel production. The surface mined coal usually sells at a lower price, as it's primarily used as steam coal. But this is not always the case -- this varies across the region.

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