Massive clashes outside Hong Kong Parliament

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  1. stylinexpat macrumors 65816

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    As we see massive protests HK stock market sees massive gains. As you can see most governments intervene when bad news is out to squeeze shorts out. So when bad news is out just buy. When local Presidents travel abroad just buy.

    People in HK not fond of being extradited to China

    https://www.rt.com/news/461464-hong-kong-clashes-extradition-law/
     
  2. niji Contributor

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    the people in Taiwan (Republic of China) have been watching what has been happening in Hong Kong, ever since the handover of Hong Kong back to China.

    to China, Taiwan has been always the goal. the main goal.

    until recently, China always played a longer game.
    but in these last 4 or 5 years China is showing its hand very quickly.

    the Taiwanese are watching.
     
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    Very true.. I mean The UK did hand Hong Kong back to China at the end of the day. Else where around the world many countries have extradition treaties with other countries as well so nothing too special here in my opinion. The US also often forces other countries to hand over people to them as well and has extradition treaties with other countries.
     
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    Yep. That's why I was very happy that one of the first calls that Trump made as POTUS (or POTUS elect at time, I don't remember the precise date) was to the Taiwanese PM, something unheard of.
     
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    its good he called Taiwan. i totally agree.

    but rump making a call to anyone is only about the money he and his daughter can make during and after his 1 time one-off presidency.
    hope he makes the most of it. (not).
    lock him up.

    its good for Taiwan that rump likes money.
    can you imagine how much rump and his daughter are getting into some bank account in order to not make some presidential level proclamation (signed with a sharpie with a lot of Capital Letters) reiterating that says taiwan is a part of china.
    taiwan, as we all know who love taiwan, is not adverse to paying billions to countries to keep diplomatic recognition and be able to keep open its "trade" or "liaison" offices.

    taiwanese people are amazing.
    god speed all hong kong and taiwanese people!
    stay strong.
     
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    We shall see. Honestly the ball is in China's court.
     
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    A treaty of extradition is based on the assumption that both countries grant essentially the same rights of due process, and criminalize essentially the same things.

    So while the US might happily extradite someone to the UK to face charges of murder, and the UK might do likewise (provided that the death penalty is not in the cards), the US is not about to extradite persons to china, particularly on strange charges such as seditious libel. Fair trial? What's that?

    Not that the US has a particularly admirable carceral culture.

    Hong Kongers feel safer in their city than in mainland china. Who can blame them?
     
  9. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    You are right, I agree. I do think though that treaties vary from country to country. Hong Kong and China seem sort of like Hawaii and US.
     
  10. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    The rational security podcast has an early segment from Hong Kong on the protests.

    China has been kidnapping people from Hong Kong for years-- this bill, which alas, is almost certain to pass, would essentially legalize the practice.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/rational-security-utterly-shaneless-edition
     
  11. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I know of someone that was kidnapped :(
    There is good and bad from China. The bad is quite bad and the good is quite good.
     
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    I think water was used to to push back protesters... Looks like the bill is still going head despite protesting.

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/w...aches-beijing-s-red-line-20190614-p51xnh.html

    Although, i can't imagine people would go on hunger strikes for this as well... If they want a bill pasted, they'll get it passed, regardless.

    Pretty much everyone ins disagreement even Australia, this would bad for HK. but I doubt the government would really care how many go on hunger strikes..

    Shop owners did 'strikes" as well and they turned that down too as "not really helping"

    However, they should also be listening to what people want....
     
  13. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    There's been a delay

    https://nyti.ms/2Xc51v7

    These were her grounds-- and the poeple of of Hoing Kong rejected them.

    https://nyti.ms/2KkBmty
    --- Post Merged, Jun 15, 2019 at 9:29 AM ---
    https://nyti.ms/2KjDFwO
     
  14. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Great news if permanent. Let’s see if it holds. Let’s see how the stock market reacts on Monday when it opens back up again.
     
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    I am surprised this isn't bigger news. Fascinating.
     
  16. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    How big do you want it to be?

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    it helps to have a foriegn bureau.
     
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    didn't see this today. Day off, so moving leisurely...
     
  18. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Good thing is hotels are cheap this week for a visit :) but ticket prices are average still for this time of the year.

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    Forgive me, but the relevance here fails me...
     
  20. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I forgive you :p;):)
    Good time to visit. Cheap hotels and you can go to see live protests. The rest of the good stuff I can’t post here lol..:D
     
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    I live in Portland. I don't need to travel to see protests. Relatedly, tomorrow should be pretty interesting here.
     
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    Nice.. What’s going on up there tomorrow..?:D
     
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    Pride parade. Proud Boys. We may make national news.
     
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    Nice :D Upload us some selfies with the proud boys :p;):)
     

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