massive voter fraud? not so much.

steve knight

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Hmm millions???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-voter-fraud_us_590cc4e8e4b0d5d9049c4155?4p
A new survey of local election officials finds that it was extremely rare for non-citizens to vote in the 2016 election, casting even more doubt on President Donald Trump’s unfounded claim that millions of people cast illegal ballots last year.

Researchers from the Brennan Center for Justice interviewed local election officials in 42 jurisdictions across 12 states and found there’d been about 30 instances of suspected non-citizens voting. That’s out of 23.5 million ballots cast. The questionable votes accounted for just 0.0001 percent of the total number of votes in those jurisdictions.

The report focuses on counties where there are more than 100,000 adult non-citizens, as well as diverse areas with large populations in California, Virginia and New Hampshire, all states that Trump singled out for voter fraud.

The results are consistent with post-election audits that have shown voter fraud and instances of non-citizen voting to be vanishingly rare. In North Carolina, where 4.8 million ballots were cast, officials found just 41 suspected cases of non-citizens voting. Nevada Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske (R) has said she believes up to 21 non-citizens could have voted for president in the state, where there are more than 1.4 million active voters. In Ohio, Secretary of State Jon Husted (R) said that 82 non-citizens voted “in at least one election” (he did not say when).
 

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So you interview election officials about how many people they feel voted as non citizens? Were there any checks on immigration status by these local officials? The study linked reads like an opinion piece with some weak interviews on people without access to real data.

You think a lefty Californian is going to admit that they know illegals are voting? Lol
 

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So you interview election officials about how many people they feel voted as non citizens? Were there any checks on immigration status by these local officials? The study linked reads like an opinion piece with some weak interviews on people without access to real data.

You think a lefty Californian is going to admit that they know illegals are voting? Lol
We better reinforce the walls the kool-aid man will be busting through soon.
 

steve knight

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So you interview election officials about how many people they feel voted as non citizens? Were there any checks on immigration status by these local officials? The study linked reads like an opinion piece with some weak interviews on people without access to real data.

You think a lefty Californian is going to admit that they know illegals are voting? Lol
but trump is reliable as a source?
 

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So you interview election officials about how many people they feel voted as non citizens? Were there any checks on immigration status by these local officials? The study linked reads like an opinion piece with some weak interviews on people without access to real data.

You think a lefty Californian is going to admit that they know illegals are voting? Lol
Texas is quite strict about determining citizenship of new residents. I had to show a birth certificate to get my first drivers license and register to vote here. Supreme Leader simply had one of his many anal eruptions on this issue, all in defense of his fragile ego.
 

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Texas is quite strict about determining citizenship of new residents. I had to show a birth certificate to get my first drivers license and register to vote here. Supreme Leader simply had one of his many anal eruptions on this issue, all in defense of his fragile ego.
https://covr.sos.ca.gov/

Go there and fill out the form, check you are a US citizen and then just check the boxes that say you don't have a license and don't have a SSN (or if you are like most illegals just use your stolen one). Pretty damn easy.
 

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https://covr.sos.ca.gov/

Go there and fill out the form, check you are a US citizen and then just check the boxes that say you don't have a license and don't have a SSN (or if you are like most illegals just use your stolen one). Pretty damn easy.
If it's that easy, it should not be, but you need something more than an antidote to realistically push the argument of substantial voter fraud, much less than by millions of aliens. As a rule, those people prefer staying under the radar.

This was mentioned by our President, from his heart or his butt, depending on your perspective without an iota of evidence, in defense of his helpless inflated ego. To think more people voted for Hillary, inconceivable! ;)
 

Zombie Acorn

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Holy lack of evidence batman? Which area of your ass did you pull that from?
Really? You living in a hole?


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/04/13/irs-admits-it-encourages-illegals-to-steal-social-security-numbers-for-taxes/amp/

That's right the IRS even encourages illegals to steal SSN, and anyone who works in a legitimate business fills in a tax form before starting which requires a SSN, so the better question is where do you think the illegals are pulling their SSNs from? Their ass?
 

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This was mentioned by our President, from his heart or his butt, depending on your perspective without an iota of evidence, in defense of his helpless inflated ego. To think more people voted for Hillary, inconceivable! ;)
The lack of logic in his arguments is astounding - he seems to think there was a substantial conspiracy to get huge numbers of fraudulent votes for his opponent. In states where she already had a substantial lead. Instead of in states where she might lose. Because (no) reasons. But it sounds good to his supporters.

(Also, he had far more attendees at his inauguration than any other inauguration ever. Don't believe the facts, don't believe official government estimates, don't believe photographic evidence. Anything not in his favor is extremely conveniently "fake news".)
 

Huntn

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The lack of logic in his arguments is astounding - he seems to think there was a substantial conspiracy to get huge numbers of fraudulent votes for his opponent. In states where she already had a substantial lead. Instead of in states where she might lose. Because (no) reasons. But it sounds good to his supporters.

(Also, he had far more attendees at his inauguration than any other inauguration ever. Don't believe the facts, don't believe official government estimates, don't believe photographic evidence. Anything not in his favor is extremely conveniently "fake news".)
While, producing a Mississippi river of his own. Keep'm confused for another day of political life. :oops:
 
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So you interview election officials about how many people they feel voted as non citizens? Were there any checks on immigration status by these local officials? The study linked reads like an opinion piece with some weak interviews on people without access to real data.

You think a lefty Californian is going to admit that they know illegals are voting? Lol
Yet, you believe almost every word that Trump and his camp says. Because, you know...they're the truth-tellers.
 

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Someone remind me why our Acorn is so Pro-Trump and Pro-America above all else but immigrated as an American to Canada and lives there permanently?
 
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Has anyone considered that the voter fraud wasn't quite so massive. Perhaps it was only like 80,000 voters in a few states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania that were fraudulent. You know the ones in those gerrymandered precincts that skew the electoral college vote so far away from the popular vote.

Far more likely that 80k votes were fraudualty cast than for 3 million. Doesn't that logically make sense.
 
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Has anyone considered that the voter fraud wasn't quite so massive. Perhaps it was only like 80,000 voters in a few states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania that were fraudulent. You know the ones in those gerrymandered precincts that skew the electoral college vote so far away from the popular vote.

Far more likely that 80k votes were fraudualty cast than for 3 million. Doesn't that logically make sense.
Pretty sure that every story I saw about confirmed voter fraud in the election had a Republican subject.
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Actually I've said illegals have been voting far before Trump had the dumb idea to run for president.
Maybe they're the ones who voted Trump in. I mean, he won, after all. If there was massive voter fraud, it stands to reason that he was the one who benefitted from it.
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Has anyone considered that the voter fraud wasn't quite so massive. Perhaps it was only like 80,000 voters in a few states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania that were fraudulent. You know the ones in those gerrymandered precincts that skew the electoral college vote so far away from the popular vote.

Far more likely that 80k votes were fraudualty cast than for 3 million. Doesn't that logically make sense.
Gerrymandering most certainly affects state elections, and is a blatantly obvious attempt at rigging elections. But I don't think gerrymandering can affect a national election, as it's decided by the number of votes in a state as a whole (minus a couple), right?
 

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Has anyone considered that the voter fraud wasn't quite so massive. Perhaps it was only like 80,000 voters in a few states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania that were fraudulent. You know the ones in those gerrymandered precincts that skew the electoral college vote so far away from the popular vote.

Far more likely that 80k votes were fraudualty cast than for 3 million. Doesn't that logically make sense.
For the record I don't think 3 million people voted illegally, how would we ever know that number when we rely on the honour system for filling out registrations. I know it's more than one though and when elections are as close as the last that's one too many
 
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For the record I don't think 3 million people voted illegally, how would we ever know that number when we rely on the honour system for filling out registrations. I know it's more than one though and when elections are as close as the last that's one too many
My point exactly, the more I think about it, the more I suspect the few votes that got Trump elected were fraudulent.
Rig a few here, rig a few there, and whalla all of a sudden electoral college swings in your favor. Doesn't it seem just a little fishy, that just the right precincts in just the right states, swung ever so slightly in Trump's direction. It required every improbable and unpredicted nudge all falling into place at same time. Seems more odd, each time I think about it.