May loses brexit vote: 432-202.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...may-loses-brexit-deal-vote-by-majority-of-230

    Debate and vote scheduled on the morrow. Thought everybody would find this interesting.
     
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    I cannot believe that May is still pretending it is "business as usual" and she can just go sailing ahead.
    Delusional!

    Anyway, tomorrow will tell…
     
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    So it's going to be some combination of the following:
    • no deal Brexit
    • no Brexit
    • the government falls, followed by a general election
    • plan B
    • a second referendum
    In short, kicking the can down the road yet again. This will be entertaining.
     
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    I am out of popcorn and my nails are down to the quick.
    :eek:
     
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    Debate and vote scheduled on the morrow.
     
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    I cannot believe:

    That she triggered Art 50 without having the slightest idea of what sort of negotiating position she would argue for;

    called an unnecessary general election;

    declined to allow genuine experts to advise her on possible options, pitfalls and pratfalls (Sir Ivan Rogers - former UK permanent representative in Brussels - who does know his stuff - has been blistering and scathing in his analysis);

    didn't even offer a negotiating position to the EU until "Chequers" last summer - i.e. two years after the referendum;

    appointed such clueless, arrogant, uninformed, proudly ignorant, individuals to ministerial office;

    unnecessarily alienated her European partners; and misunderstood their negotiating positions, politics, and principles from the very start;

    assumed that a narrow victory for Brexit was mandate for the "hardest possible version of same";

    has only now (belatedly) realised that in order to carry any such agreement she needs allies in the other parties........

    and in the other (i.e. remain) regions;

    Has insisted that she will not play the get-out-of-jail card that the European Court handed her when it ruled on this issue before Christmas (i.e. unilaterally revoking Art 50 does not need EU approval or the approval of the remaining 27 EU Member states).



    Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable. Delusional is barely the beginning of this disaster and debacle.
     
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    Biggest UK Government defeat in history.
     
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    This requires nachos. ;)

    BL.
     
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    I watch this with the same morbid fascination as looking at a housefire....
     
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    Indeed.
    I cannot believe May wasted precious time by moving the vote from last year to today…
    It achieved nothing and just worsened conditions.

    She will probably survive tomorrow's No Confidence vote… Alas.
     
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    I thought something comparable happened in the 1920's...
     
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    Is the House of Commons located in a parallel universe I hitherto missed is existing?
     
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    How can anybody lose that big and not be voted out? Oh wait. Party politics.
     
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    Yup.

    The bloody DUP have already said they will support her… even though they voted against the "Deal" today.
     
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    I dunno. let's jump into the next Blue Police Call box and find out. :p

    BL.
     
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    No, I think our Parliament is quite in this universe…

    It is Teresa May and her obstinacy that is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
     
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    Black EU: Countries check in, but they don’t check out!
     
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    That made my day. :D
     
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    I have crisps, and am munching far too many. Along with a bottle of Domaine Chamfort.

    Agreed.

    And more crisps (chips to Our Transatlantic Cousins).

    Unfortunately, yes.

    But - eventually, and inevitably - it will consume her as it consumed Mrs Thatcher, Mr Major, and Mr Cameron before her.

    This perennial and utterly vicious - and disgracefully reckless and irresponsible - Tory civil war on Europe cannot be permitted to wreck the country, the union, and - yes, also - damage Europe. If - in current circumstances - it wrecks the Tory party, serves them right.
     
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    The Government lost 3 times by more than 100 votes then.
     
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    They can and do check out, but - as with anywhere - before departure, they must pay their bills first, and cannot subsequently assume the rights of members of the club (or hotel) - if they are not members - without actually paying their membership fee and agreeing to abide by the rules.
     
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    Too late. :(

    Agreed.
     

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