Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by rdowns, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    I dislike Obama and his administration more each day. Almost like we have Bush III. :rolleyes:

    WH forces P.J. Crowley to resign for condemning abuse of Manning



     
  2. whateverandever macrumors 6502a

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    Only with higher unemployment and twice the national debt!
     
  3. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Really quite sad from the US.

    Get real.
     
  4. whateverandever macrumors 6502a

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    Wait... are you arguing those facts?
     
  5. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    Those are hardly facts.
     
  6. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Anyone coming out of any of the longstanding parties will be the same, except for a few social domestic issues.

    The difference is the GOP is more outspoken about their support of business before all else.
     
  7. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    I wouldn't go that far...Obama hasn't started any wars yet.
     
  8. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    "The Who" references are so two-thousand-and-eight.
     
  9. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    He's escalating for a confrontation with Iran.
     
  10. 184550 Guest

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    Should have been more careful when airing his personal opinion(s). When you work for State in that capacity you can't just be shooting your mouth off whenever you feel the urge.

    Though if this incident hadn't forced him out, its likely he would have been fired in a couple of months anyways. Evidently he hadn't enjoyed a close relationship with Sec. Clinton like his predecessors did with previous Sec of States; supposedly they had not spoken in several months and he had not been accompanying her on her trips.
     
  11. whateverandever macrumors 6502a

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    No, those are most definitely facts.

    Year end public debt in 2006: 4,829 billion USD.
    Year end public debt in 2008: 5,803 billion USD.

    Bush's two year debt growth at the end of his term: 20%

    Year end public debt in 2010: 9,023 billion USD.

    Obama's two year debt growth halfway through his term: 55%

    Year end 2008 unemployment rate: 7.1%
    Current unemployment rate: 9.5%
     
  12. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    No, he just doubled down in Afghanistan.




    Those numbers are a crock and you know it. I won't even waste my time refuting them.
     
  13. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    9.5% is hardly double 7.1%.

    And while the US federal debt is higher now there is the small matter of the banking crisis which had to be paid for. Bush didn't have that to deal with and he still increased the US federal debt.
     
  14. whateverandever macrumors 6502a

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    Never claimed there was double unemployment. And TARP was signed into law by the Bush Administration, much of which has been paid back by the banks.

    If you're referring to the stimulus plan(s) as "paying" for the banking crisis... then you're hopeless. Just look at where the money went.
     
  15. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Source?
     
  16. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    Those numbers are ********, and I am pretty sure you know it. Both wars were off the books before Obama took office which made the deficit spending "look" smaller.

    Outside of that there was stimulus (which was 50% tax cuts that Republicans wanted)

    So basically you are spouting partisan nonsense.
     
  17. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Our friendly home-grown neocons are sounding like they need a new war with Libya. My God... :confused:
     
  18. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    remember DMJ is very different than the civilain one. If they are not breaking DMJ rules then there is no legal recourse.
    My understanding is these guy more or less is a traitor. So no way in hell can they put him with the rest of the population. Now they should just charge him with treason then get it over with.
     
  19. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    Obama's policy towards Iran is less belligerant than Bush's was, and at any rate there has been a lot of antagonism between Iran and the US since the Islamic revolution. I don't see Obama's behavior as particularly hawkish within this context.

    I disagree with the current military plans, but there are truly no good alternatives. At the moment we are in denial about our inevitable second inglorious military exit from Asia.
     
  20. skunk macrumors G4

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    Every politician needs a good war at least once.
     
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    Yeah. Phish references are more in the now.

    Obama's approval ratings are really slipping backwards down the number line.

    That sucked and I apologise to anyone who may have read that. :p
     
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    He is just warming up in the bull pen ... wait until he gets in the game.
     
  23. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    Obama is a total corporatist, but sadly what are the alternatives? The GOP is the party of corporate America, and democrats are the lap dogs. Don't even get me started on tea baggers. There is no viable alternative to Obama on the left, still I don't think I can bring myself to vote for him again.
     

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