Mexico tortures migrants – and citizens

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  1. 1458279 Suspended

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    Pretty ironic that a nation like Mexico talks about how they want America to change how it deals with immigration and look at how they deal with it. Why doesn't anyone ever mention Mexico's immigration problems?

    They're even taking aid from the US to do this, where's the outrage when Mexico doesn't open it's country to others?

    "A growing number of indigenous Mexicans are being detained by agents looking for Central American migrants, amid a crackdown driven partly by aid from US"

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/04/mexico-torture-migrants-citizens-central-america
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    “The order appears to be to detain Central Americans at any cost, even if that means violating the constitution, picking up people based on racist criteria and detaining and deporting Mexican indigenous youth along the way,”

    Where's the "Trump is racist" people on this? Oh, wait, it's only racist when Trump does it.

    "At least $100m has been spent or pledged for training, new equipment and canine teams, according to Congressional Research Service. There are no human rights conditions attached to this aid."
     
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    ASK south central Americans what happens to them when caught, men beaten/robbed/killed & women raped & forced into prostitution. there is a decent fence with armed guards in towers on the southern mexican border.
     
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    Mexico should do the right thing too.
     
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    Asking Mexico to do the right thing is racist!
     
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    Is it?
     
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    Of course it is.

    And you questioning this is triggering me big time! [​IMG]
     
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    the country that protects drug lords & kills it's own citizens when they protest?
    http://www.univision.com/noticias/n...aparicion-de-los-43-estudiantes-de-ayotzinapa
    43 students taken alive in Mexico by cops turned up DEAD.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/07/world/americas/mexico-missing-students/

    this is what happens when you have a corrupt GOVT and only they have guns.
     
  8. Meister Suspended

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    Only the government should have guns - everybody knows this!

    And questioning mexico is very racist indeed!

    Hitlary for president of gagaland! -she will ban all the mean bullies and not be racist to mexico. [​IMG]
     
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    Doesn't take the usual suspects long to derail a thread these days.
     
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    I hate war, but I might support the U.S invading Mexico & over throwing that GOVT :p
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    have you considered making a post on topic? :p
     
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    Wonder how all those corrupt government officials get shot? Really everyone should have guns so they can shoot each other and their children like we do in the US. Works wonders here
     
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    they get shot by the cartels when things don't go their way, if the citizens had guns they would at least stand a chance instead of being rounded up by cops & getting handed over to the slaughter .
     
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    It's only racist if a white person says it, otherwise, it's a good idea who's time has come.

    Asking Mexico to do the right thing? Heck, I'd be happy if they just stopped telling us how to run our immigration while they are killing and raping people and calling us racist if we even so much as bring up the subject.
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    If given a choice of a shallow grave or fighting back, some would choose fighting back.

    Maybe if Mexico had better immigration, we could just send the Dems south. It would be a win-win. No guns in Mexico, guns in America. Have the Left go South... then we can tell them the wall is to stop the bullets :D
     
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    You are a true master of irony.
     
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    That's profiling, you racist.
     
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    Yes guns make people strong we can see examples of children shooting others to prove this true. The if someone has a gun they become robocop American right mentality. So should we give large discounts so the Mexican poor can afford guns?
     
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    Obama had no problems letting the cartels get guns, why do you:??
    citizens are being slaughtered because they don't have the means to defend themselves & you worry about robocop

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    where are these migrants going to get guns? well hell lets have all the ammosexual horders donate them. boy can you imagine when those migrants start bringing the guns over the boarder and the screaming from the right that will cause.
     
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    You haven't been paying attention. I've talked about this in several immigration-related threads, including noting that the U.S. has been sending aid to further lock down the southern border, including sending Homeland Security personnel and deploying at least one of the Predator drones operated by Customs and Border Protection's Office of Air and Marine.

    That's another straw man argument. Trump is considered "racist" because of his comments about Mexicans. [Here, I flit between thinking Trump is a jackass or one of the world's worst rhetoricians.]

    However, here's what Trump has said:

    Part of the problem is Trump's conflation of unauthorized immigrants fleeing Central American (which includes unaccompanied minors and family units), the usual stream of Mexican immigrants, and criminal immigrants who are either in the United States illegally, or have been caught by U.S. Border Patrol and CBP multiple times.

    And, this is what makes a reasonable stance—we have a problem that includes Mexican citizens—to a broadside against Latinos.

    This tends to prove that a good government, not arms guarantees people's safety.

    The Grupos de Autodefensa Comunitaria, or "Autodefensas" were able to arm themselves quite well. While they began with hunting rifles and clubs, they seized heavy weapons from members of the Knights Templar, eventually running their own police forces armed with AK47s and .50-cal sniper rifles.

    It wasn't until SEDNA forced an agreement with the group that they turned in their weapons, becoming "regularized" as their own security force and given M4s. (And, this part of the story also means that corrupt officials might have subverted the group and that SEDNA did this to ensure that the Autodefensas and Mexican military and federal police wouldn't clash.)
     
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    1.Obama can free them & train them, just like Syria & Libya :D
    2. all they have to do is kill border patrol agents like the guns from fast & furious did or they can simply go to sanctuary cities like SF where its acceptable for them to be arrested & not deported.
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    the only way for Mexico to have a good GOVT is to pretty much kill all the current politicians.
     
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    same holds for pretty much every country south of mx
     
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    Note how the stance on the Left is always the same, they always want the people to fear and trust the government.

    Liberty.jpeg
     
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    yes that usually works well too. works great in 3rd world countries.
     
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    Don't take the right's argument against "sanctuary cities" at face value, because it's mostly ********. There remain big questions about ICE's continuous failure to quickly pick up immigrants with criminal records and how federal officials have largely tried to push the costs of detention to counties and cities, while dawdling around with the 287g program.

    Cities are not responsible for immigration enforcement—full stop—so when a criminal alien is about to be released, it should be ICE's responsibility to pick them up. Requiring cities to announce the release, and then wait for 24-72 hours while ICE agents get their act together is not only expensive, but it could contribute to Constitutional violations. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on this, and yet, conservatives are only interested in attacking cities and counties for doing their job, while ignoring that the problem lies with ICE—which isn't enforcing priorities the way it should be.

    If Mexico's corruption was limited to politicians, but corruption goes to the army, the police, clergy, empresarios, even the granajeras who sold their communal plots to dope ranchers.

    Mexico teeters on being a failed state. For those paying attention, it's pretty clear that Trump's proposed wall and trade war is going to push the country over the edge, and the last thing to U.S. needs is another Latin American basket case.
     
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    And yet every time we have a police shooting thread it's the conservatives who blindly trust them...
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    The best way to fix Mexico would be to legalise drugs.
     

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