Michael Savage suing Britain :P

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by garybUK, May 6, 2009.

  1. garybUK Guest

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    hahah this guy makes me laugh, not only does he just totally backup why he shouldn't be allowed in but he's doing exactly what he's suing them (the British Government) to Jacqui, calling her a lunatic is defamation!!! who will actually sue them i don't know... the Americans? don't make me laugh!

    link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8035114.stm
     
  2. Kardashian macrumors 68020

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    I Twittered @ him this morning telling him I don't want scum like him in the country.
     
  3. kastenbrust macrumors 68030

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    The only reason he got barred from entry and put on the list is because he's an extreme conservative and our socialist government doesn't want his conservative views to be aired in this country, because they know people will pay attention to him, even if its bad attention, its still attention, and they dont want people to think anything but communism. If it was a left wing communist or socialist extremeist im sure they wouldn't have been put on the list. I personally dislike this guys right wing views, but people shouldn't be told what to think by governments.
     
  4. garybUK thread starter Guest

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    But freedom of speech is a privilege held by residents of that country, if this guy is spreading hatred then our government has every right to ban him from coming here. He doesn't and should not hold the same right in this country. People think they are automatically allowed the same rights as they hold in their country... wrong.... if I went to China on holiday then i'd obey the Chinese law, not the law of the United Kingdom.

    This also extends to America, they don't care about us, were all criminals in their eyes so why should it not extend both ways?
     
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    1. Call him by his real name, Michael Weiner.
    2. He was banned because the UK has stricter laws on blatant hate speech, and anytime Weiner opens his mouth, hate spews out. If he's incapable of following UK law, then why should they let him in?
     
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    Here's a link with a bit more info, including The List.


    Part of me thinks it's a good thing that the government denied access to hate-mongering people like this guy and the Phelps', but another part of me thinks it's not up to the government to decide who gets to speak. I digress.
     
  7. kastenbrust macrumors 68030

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    Maybe some people want to hear what he's got to say? He wouldnt go to the UK for a cup of tea would he? What some people consider hate speech is common sense for others, its all a matter of perspective. This reminds me of see no evil, hear no evil, do no evil. Its like sticking your fingers in your ears and singing *la la la*...

    What he stands for is awful, but thats because i've been able to read about him, and come to my own informed autonomous conculsion.
     
  8. Queso macrumors G4

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    Every person on the planet should be allowed into the UK and allowed to speak. The existence of this list is another example of our government telling us we cannot be trusted to make up our own minds. I for one am sick of being treated like a child by the likes of Jacqui Smith.

    As much as I despise his position on a large number of subjects I hope Michael Savage both sues and wins.
     
  9. garybUK thread starter Guest

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    Who's he gonna goto to sue the British Government? Who can enforce us to pay damages? come on. This guy is insane.
     
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    I agree - to an extent.

    I think for a visitor to come and visit this country, only to spread hate about gay people, Jews (I'm stuffed, I'm both), and G-d knows what else is wrong - and people like him should be 'gagged' (barred from entering the country).

    We're lucky to live in a pretty equal rights country, and we don't need people like him coming in and moking those rights, or making us feel like sh*t on our own turf.

    I'm glad he's not being allowed in. From the 2 radio recordings I've heard I couldn't listen past the first minute. He's a disgusting human being.
     
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    I know what you mean, Kardashian, but the freedom to decide for yourself that someone is a disgusting individual is a right that just got taken away from us by our government. That is where I digress. I much prefer less government involvement and more of people being able to make choices for themselves, you know?
     
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    I doubt the majority of the UK want to hear him. Not that they'd go as far as to ban him - but they wouldn't go out of their way to hear a man discriminate so many of their friends and family.

    Right now, the UK is a very equal country - something which I am proud of, one of the few things I'm proud of, when it come to this country.

    I don't want an idiot like him, coming in and telling me I'm wrong for my beliefs and the person I am: Jewish and Gay.

    He doesn't speak common sense. He speaks his own deluded word, and forces it on other people. When people call his radio show, they don't finish a sentence before he disconnects the call, and carries on his own mission to make someone else feel like crap about who they are because he's the great "Savage".

    This country has enough idiots without the likes of him.
     
  13. Queso macrumors G4

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    The British Courts have jurisdiction over the British Government. The Government have lost a number of cases over the years and had to pay the damages awarded.
     
  14. garybUK thread starter Guest

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    I agree, I'm proud of the fact that being gay doesn't hinder my career and that it's more acceptable in public. This guy should NOT be allowed to come and try to undo our progression. Simple. The Government are dead right in this case. He is welcome to spout his drivel in his own country but leave ours be it's NONE of his business how we do things in this country.
     
  15. Kardashian macrumors 68020

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    Completely. I think maybe I should have been a bit more clear about his MO, and kept my personal opinions out of it.

    OK. Freedom is speech, great, is something we can do, hopefully without the Government meddling.

    But, this person would not enter the country, speak, and leave. He would stay here, and force his views upon people. He would not shut up. He tears people apart. That would cause a lot of anger and uproar, and hurt feelings. He does not let anyone have their say - even callers who join in on his show, who start off with how much they love him - he disconnects them and starts ranting on their behalf, judging whole genders/races/religions/sexualities.

    Unless you follow his deranged view, you're toast.

    I think this is one of the few cases where the Government did right by keeping someone out. He's dangerous. Not terrorist dangerous, but he goes against all our equal rights in this country.

    Exactly.

    I'm all for freedom of speech but not when it takes away my rights as a Citizen of this country and a Human Being.

    Also, a note to the idiot himself (Savage): its the British Government he'll need to sue, not the English one.
     
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    ^ I know what you mean. I think where I start to fall off the fence is when I think of the precedent this sets. I may not care about the plight of a hateful bigot but one day I may have a plight of my own and may well wish I'd stuck up for the plights/freedoms of others in the face of a controlling government when I had the chance. You never know when it's going to be your 'plight' and your freedoms taken away next. Hence, my digression.
     
  17. Kardashian macrumors 68020

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    Again, I agree.

    But, to put it simply: when it comes to someone so transparent as Savage, I'd rather the Government assume on 'our' behalf and take away his rights, before he comes in to take away ours.

    I completely see where you're coming from, and like with your 50/50 stance, I have the same thing, except I'm leaning more strongly toward 'ban him now - ask us questions later' where as I think you're the other way around? :)

    edit: not that that's a bad thing!
     
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    I think you've got it spot on. We sit on the same fence just leaning slightly different directions. :)
     
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    of course what he says is wrong, and may even be offsenive to the Jewish comminty, but putting our fingers in our ears and banning him from the country makes us just as bad as him. What are you scared of? You think he's going to convert people to his views by coming here? If thats what you think then you dont take much pride in this country, and thats offensive to me. 450,000 British Citizens died fighting Hitler, i dont think we're quite ready to become neo-Nazi's yet.
     
  20. remmy macrumors 6502a

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    I am quiet happy he has be banded as well as others on the list. There are enough thugs in the country already we don't want any more.

    I do agree on the freedom of speech issue and more importantly a meddling government.

    In this case I would have had a problem if they had banned someone who was criticising the government or other issues that differed from race and sexuality.
     
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    I do find a lot of hypocrisy in the British rules when it comes to speech. The prince's Nazi costume dress is ok, but the British press is always ridiculing Austria and Germany for jailing anyone who does the same thing. Now, michael whiner, has been banned because he defamed Ms Smith.

    There's a lack of consistency there.
     
  22. gibbz macrumors 68030

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    What's funny, is that Weiner, a U.S. citizen, is trying to sue another country for withholding perceived rights, although those rights are reserved for citizens of that country.

    Isn't this the same thing that this lunatic rants on and on about when it comes to illegal aliens from Mexico? Anytime someone mentions that these people are having rights withheld, he blasts them as foreign scum.

    Well Mr. Weiner, speaking as an American, I'm sure a good majority of people in Great Britain you are foreign scum!
     
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    I have big problems with this issue. While I understand why maybe the government doesn't like things he says I am a big believer of freedom of speech. I know the things that that man has said have been horribly racist and offensive in many ways he should still have the right to voice his opinion. It's only a small step from censoring these people to censoring political opponents, something I wouldn't put past the current Labour government, they've already taken pretty much every other right that we have in this country :mad:
     
  24. Sehnsucht macrumors 65816

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    :confused: What are you talking about? Criminals? I'm going to be living in London for a year (I leave January of next year) and am definitely looking forward to it. ;) I have dozens of friends in the UK and have never encountered anything like this. lol...

    On the subject of Michael Savage, I do admit to occasionally listening to his radio show, not because I agree with him (I in fact disagree with about 90% of what he says) but because I find the man hilarious. Many of his views are so over-the-top, and the way he presents them, sometimes yelling at the top of his lungs and distorting the mike...often has me rolling on the floor in tears, holding my sides. :D I know Rush Limbaugh is a Mac user...I'm dying to know whether this guy is a Mac user or not. :D

    You said it.
     
  25. remmy macrumors 6502a

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    Pointless comparison, the Prince is a bit of an idiot, got ridiculed for dressing up as a Nazi by everyone. He could not of been prevented entering the UK if he is a Prince who resides here, and hardly goes around voicing is opinion on extreme views.
     

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