"Michele Bachman: Welfare Queen" ???

Macky-Mac

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an interesting but kinda disgusting article about government subsidies (also known as the taxpayers' cash) flowing into the pockets of some of the politicians complaining about "socialism".....turns out some of them are quite familiar with the concept! :rolleyes:


Michele Bachmann: Welfare Queen

Michele Bachmann has become well known for her anti-government tea-bagger antics, protesting health care reform and every other government “handout” as socialism. What her followers probably don’t know is that Rep. Bachmann is, to use that anti-government slur, something of a welfare queen. That’s right, the anti-government insurrectionist has taken more than a quarter-million dollars in government handouts thanks to corrupt farming subsidies she has been collecting for at least a decade.

And she’s not the only one who has been padding her bank account with taxpayer money.

Bachmann, of Minnesota, has spent much of this year agitating against health care reform, whipping up the so-called tea-baggers with stories of death panels and rationed health care. She has called for a revolution against what she sees as Barack Obama’s attempted socialist takeover of America, saying presidential policy is “reaching down the throat and ripping the guts out of freedom.”

But data compiled from federal records by Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit watchdog that tracks the recipients of agricultural subsidies in the United States, shows that Bachmann has an inner Marxist that is perfectly at ease with profiting from taxpayer largesse. According to the organization’s records, Bachmann’s family farm received $251,973 in federal subsidies between 1995 and 2006. The farm had been managed by Bachmann’s recently deceased father-in-law and took in roughly $20,000 in 2006 and $28,000 in 2005, with the bulk of the subsidies going to dairy and corn. Both dairy and corn are heavily subsidized—or “socialized”—businesses in America (in 2005 alone, Washington spent $4.8 billion propping up corn prices) and are subject to strict government price controls. These subsidies are at the heart of America’s bizarre planned agricultural economy and as far away from Michele Bachmann’s free-market dream world as Cuba’s free medical system. If American farms such as hers were forced to compete in the global free market, they would collapse.

However, Bachmann doesn’t think other Americans should benefit from such protection and assistance. She voted against every foreclosure relief bill aimed at helping average homeowners (despite the fact that her district had the highest foreclosure rate in Minnesota), saying that bailing out homeowners would be “rewarding the irresponsible while punishing those who have been playing by the rules.” That’s right, the subsidy queen wants the rest of us to be responsible...

....Chuck Grassley, the longtime Republican senator from Iowa who warns his constituents of Obama’s “trend toward socialism,” has seen his family collect $1 million in federal handouts over an 11-year period, with Grassley’s son receiving $699,248 and the senator himself pocketing $238,974. Even Grassley’s grandson is learning to ride through life on training wheels, snagging $5,964 in 2005 and $2,363 in 2006. In the Grassley family they learn early how to enjoy other people’s money.

Sen. Grassley railed against government intervention in the health care market, telling The Washington Times, “Whenever the government does more ... that’s a movement toward socialism.”

....Then there’s Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., whose family has been on the government take for at least the past 11 years, pocketing some $500,000. The senator recently held a “prayercast” with Michele Bachmann to beseech God to kill health care reform as soon as possible because it would bring an evil socialist spirit into America.....

...Not surprisingly, Blue Dog Democrats are on board with this welfare-for-the-rich thing. Max Baucus, the fiscally conservative Democratic senator from Montana who did his best to sabotage the health care reform process before it ever began, collected $250,000 in taxpayer subsidies to his family’s farm while fighting to keep Americans at the mercy of free-market health insurance. Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, another Democrat, also helped hold the line against so-called socialized medicine for Americans who need assistance, even though her family farm business follows the socialized subsidy playbook to a T. The Lincolns pocketed $715,000 in farm subsidies over a 10-year period, and the senator even admitted to using $10,000 of it as petty cash in 2007. Democratic Rep. Stephanie Sandlin of South Dakota stayed true to her conservative free-market roots by voting against the public option. Meanwhile, her daddy, Lars Herseth, a former South Dakota legislator, collected a welfare jackpot of $844,725 paid out between 1995 and 2006....
 

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an interesting but kinda disgusting article...
Most if not all small farms today rely on agricultural subsidies on either milk (dairy), grain (corn) or a variety of meat subsidies that members of both parties have approved for decades for small farms. Just so, hundreds of thousands of residents of every town, city, and state in the country, have been on welfare subsidies for decades. Is your point to selectively single out Michele Bachman, Chuck Grassley, Sam Brownback, Max Baucus, Blanche Lincoln, and Stephanie Sandlin to some standard that all this nation's politicians (local, state, and federal) should be held?
 

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Most if not all small farms today rely on agricultural subsidies on either milk (dairy), grain (corn) or a variety of meat subsidies that members of both parties have approved for decades for small farms. Just so, hundreds of thousands of residents of every town, city, and state in the country, have been on welfare subsidies for decades. Is your point to selectively single out Michele Bachman, Chuck Grassley, Sam Brownback, Max Baucus, Blanche Lincoln, and Stephanie Sandlin to some standard that all this nation's politicians (local, state, and federal) should be held?
I really hope this is some attempt at humor 'cause I really, truly, honestly want to find it hard to believe that you can't see the hypocrisy of someone speaking out vehemently against government subsidies while at the same time receiving government subsidies.


Lethal
 

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Most if not all small farms today rely on agricultural subsidies on either milk (dairy), grain (corn) or a variety of meat subsidies that members of both parties have approved for decades for small farms. Just so, hundreds of thousands of residents of every town, city, and state in the country, have been on welfare subsidies for decades. Is your point to selectively single out Michele Bachman, Chuck Grassley, Sam Brownback, Max Baucus, Blanche Lincoln, and Stephanie Sandlin to some standard that all this nation's politicians (local, state, and federal) should be held?
Funny joke?!

I'm assume you understand the OP's point, not that the subsidies are inherently wrong, but when your political life is based on "teh government is evil and socialist!", you likely shouldn't be take government money
 

IntheNet

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...I really, truly, honestly want to find it hard to believe that you can't see the hypocrisy...
I was not taking specific exception to the "hypocrisy" alleged (one can find "hypocrisy" from all politicians if you dig deep enough); more important, as I maintained in my prior post, I was curious if the article's author would subject this criticism to all politicians since the article was overtly partisan; i.e., the first sentence: "...well known for her anti-government tea-bagger antics..."which seems strange since Michele Bachmann is the United States Representative of Minnesota's 6th Congressional District - so the "anti-government" claim is a bit over the top!
 

Zombie Acorn

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You deal with either having farm subsidies or relying on your food coming from overseas, I will take the former rather than the later. Its in the government's/people's interest and it doesn't make someone a "welfare queen".
 

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I was not taking specific exception to the "hypocrisy" alleged (one can find "hypocrisy" from all politicians if you dig deep enough); more important, as I maintained in my prior post, I was curious if the article's author would subject this criticism to all politicians.....
the author did indeed identify democrats as well republicans who are scooping up these fat subsidies while posturing about the horrors of "socialism".....so the answer to your question would be "yes"
 

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Just for anyone keeping score:

The World According To InTheNet
Working for the government -> Theft from the American Taxpayers
Accepting Subsidies from the Government -> Perfectly Acceptable way to earn a living
 

Macky-Mac

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So if your father in-law gets subsidies I can call you a welfare queen? :confused:
Well, if you read the article you would have seen that she's one of the owners of the business and receives income directly from it, so there's little point in pretending this is about her deceased father-in-law (unless she's using him to hide her financial involvement).

So now you've become a supporter of government cash subsidies to businesses that aren't financially viable?
 

IntheNet

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Just for anyone keeping score
My posts questioned whether the article's author* would subject such criticism of Bachmann to all politicians since the article was overtly partisan.

*Yasha Levine (from Truth Dig) which self-identifies itself as "A Progressive Journal"
 

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Well, if you read the article you would have seen that she's one of the owners of the business and receives income directly from it, so there's little point in pretending this is about her deceased father-in-law (unless she's using him to hide her financial involvement).

So now you've become a supporter of government cash subsidies to businesses that aren't financially viable?
If it means I can eat food that was grown here: yes. I don't think we should subsidize at quite the level we do, but giving up our nation's food capacity and letting some foreign nation feed us seems a bit short sighted.
 

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If it means I can eat food that was grown here: yes.
Ah, I love when people can take general stances against something, but find it perfectly acceptable when and only when it can benefit them in some way. If only we had a word for that kind of mentality...
 

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My posts questioned whether the article's author would subject such criticism of Bachmann to all politicians since the article was overtly partisan.
Overly partisan? It went and pointed out democrats that do the same damn thing!
 

Zombie Acorn

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Ah, I love when people can take general stances against something, but find it perfectly acceptable when and only when it can benefit them in some way. If only we had a word for that kind of mentality...
If you don't see any problem with our food supply being controlled by foreign nations I don't know what to say. We can't live without food, we can live without cars, planes, other ********. This article seems to be anti-food subsidies, something I think is valuable if we want to keep our nation secure.
 

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If it means I can eat food that was grown here: yes. I don't think we should subsidize at quite the level we do, but giving up our nation's food capacity and letting some foreign nation feed us seems a bit short sighted.
Giving up our food capacity? Most corn in the US, for example, is not even fit for human consumption but genetically engineered to be used in industrial applications (animal feed, fuel, food additives, etc.,). Tons of corn gets destroyed each year because it's more profitable in the short term to grow corn and let it rot because of the subsidy. The idea of the subsidy is good, but the execution is lacking.

But now we are gettin' kinda OT.

This article seems to be anti-food subsidies, something I think is valuable if we want to keep our nation secure.
Really? It's not anti-food subsidies. It's just pointing out another example of hypocrisy by some of our elected officials. In this specific case it's pointing out people who rail against, and vote against, government subsidies yet in fact have made a lot of money from government subsidies themselves.


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NT1440

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If you don't see any problem with our food supply being controlled by foreign nations I don't know what to say. We can't live without food, we can live without cars, planes, other ********. This article seems to be anti-food subsidies, something I think is valuable if we want to keep our nation secure.
I'd just like to see Bachman's stance on the issue.
 

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Just for anyone keeping score:

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Working for the government -> Theft from the American Taxpayers
Accepting Subsidies from the Government -> Perfectly Acceptable way to earn a living
As soon as I saw the name I gave up even trying to follow the discussion :p
 

abijnk

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My posts questioned whether the article's author* would subject such criticism of Bachmann to all politicians since the article was overtly partisan.

*Yasha Levine (from Truth Dig) which self-identifies itself as "A Progressive Journal"
My apologies, please let me correct my post:

Sources According To InTheNet:
Contains the word "progressive" -> "overtly partisan"
Contains the word "conservative" -> Legitimate news source not to be questioned

That about right?

My point was that you aren't capable of having an on-topic conversation on here.
 

Zombie Acorn

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Really? It's not anti-food subsidies. It's just pointing out another example of hypocrisy by some of our elected officials. In this specific case it's pointing out people who rail against, and vote against, government subsidies yet in fact have made a lot of money from government subsidies themselves.


Lethal
Its not hypocrisy to rally against one type of subsidy while getting paid by another. Some people view some subsidies as good, others bad.
 

Macky-Mac

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Its not hypocrisy to rally against one type of subsidy while getting paid by another. Some people view some subsidies as good, others bad.
it's hypocrisy when politicians get to the point of voting subsidies for businesses they own while claiming such subsidies for others are "evil socialism"

I assume you live in one of our "socialist" farm states? you people have been getting fat off the taxes paid by others for years all while claiming that businesses that can't survive on their own should be allowed to collapse.....unless it's your farm businesses.....then subsidies are suddenly a national necessity.....The idea that corporate farms, those that now dominate american agriculture, can't operate without subsidies is simply nonsense

edit; it's one thing for a politician to support subsidies for some type of business, but when it comes to voting to send money to line their own pockets, it's just corruption.
 

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My point was that you aren't capable of having an on-topic conversation on here.
So for this thread, in your view, "on-topic" would mean bashing Minnesota's Representative from the 6th District? Or defending her as I have done? Which is "on-topic" in your view?