Michelle Obama Fans Change Their Tone

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/190...ingly-change-tone-asked-school-lunch-program/

    why the double standard? of it's good for kids it should be good for adults.
     
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    While I agree it is obviously a double standard, I also think that it is a cheap shot to pick on people on government assistance because this double standard that you rightly pointed out is something that manifests itself in all aspects of our society. As an example, a parent forcing their children to go to sleep early while their parents stay up late or perhaps a parent not letting their children smoke cigarettes while they smoke two packs a day. The examples are many but if picking on poor people makes you feel better, go at it.
     
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    Yeah, because the nutritional needs of growing children are exactly the same as adults.

    :rolleyes:
     
  5. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    more important for adults to eat healthy.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with snacks in moderation. The problem is that when kids are in school with cash in their pockets and no parental supervision over what they eat, moderation goes right out the window. There is nothing wrong with parents on food stamps buying some junk food as treats in addition to everything else they buy. Choices are taken away from children all the time for many good reasons, because often they make bad ones. Adults should be allowed to make their own choices for better or for worse.
     
  7. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    and when we as tax payers have to pay for their HC due to their choices?
     
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    Yea, I'm sure that healthy eating as an adult is clearly just as important as teaching children and giving them the appropriate nutrition in their formative years before they run into obesity problems.

    It's always the best use of resources to be reactive to an issue rather than containing it generationally and trying to prevent its effects before the billions of dollars need to be spent.

    The youth are the upcoming human infrastructure of our country, learn from our piss poor reactive infrastructure attempts.
     
  9. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    er, we are already helping the kids, why not help the adults make the right choices as well? you seem to be the one waiting for things to reach "reactive" status, when is the right time for adults to eat healthy? AFTER they get diabetes or have their first heart attack?
     
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    Educational programs should not be tied to SNAP benefits.

    I don't understand these small government types that want to set up programs and systems to check up on poor people to make sure they are being good little boys and girls. What a patriarchal mindset.
     
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    1. said nothing about education, things would be as simple as not letting people purchase junk food on the card. just like alcohol & cigarettes are not allowed.

    2. system is already in place, you can't buy alcohol/cigs.
     
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    So you're for raising SNAP benefits to the amount where families can afford actual food and not the absurdly inexpensive junk food (such as taco kits, insanely cheap, but absurdly high in sodium)?

    I guess we do agree on something.
     
  13. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    actual food is cheaper than junk food, difference being you have to cook & do the dishes after you are done.
     
  14. P-Worm macrumors 68020

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    ….this….is not true.

    Meta-study

    On average, it costs $550 more per year to eat healthy.

    P-Worm

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    To weigh in on how I feel about the "discrepancy," to me it is obvious that adults are mature enough to make choices that are best for them or their family. Children do not have this kind of psychological development. Telling children what to eat should be expected, but telling SNAP recipients what to eat is a sure sign of government overreach.
     
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    That's complete ********.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/eating-healthy-vs-unhealthy_n_4383633.html

    You're also (conveniently) overlooking that impoverished areas are the epicenters of food deserts.

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    Ha, same study.

    Note that meta-analysis are a great way to sift through the noise.
     
  16. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    from link
    any study that deals just with the U.S?

    plenty of adults dying of obesity/diabetes, it does not look like they are able to make the right choices.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...sity-may-be-even-deadlier-thought-f6C10930019

    http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/statistics/

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    just going by my habits, I can feed the family non processed crap for less than $30 a day, trip to McDs cost more than that for a family of 4

    IF $550 is what it takes to eat healthy food, then by all means raise the allowance in the SNAP program.
     
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    I'm confused. Are you saying that what you posted contrasts what P-Worm said?

    29 cents per serving more for meats. So If you do only one meal for three people per day, that's already $317.55 more in just the meats portion for one meal.

    Healthier diets cost $1.48 per day more? That's $540.20 per year.

    What are you suggesting?

    Plenty dying of breast cancer, too.

    And does McD's take SNAP or food stamps?

    Good idea. Or, you know, just pay people more.
     
  18. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    1. no, simply asked for a study just dealing with the U.S.

    2. increase Snap program to cove the 550, why not, the healthier food should help avoid some HC issues down the road.
     
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    Why the double standard? Because it's not a double standard. You're making a false equivalence. The most significant difference is that the person selecting the items to purchase with food stamps is an adult whereas the person selecting the food to eat/purchase at school is a child. Another big one is that children also can't go to another school to get a different lunch/snack. Adults on food stamps can spend them where they please (among places that accept them).
     
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    who pays for SNAP and the kids lunches?
     
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    Agreed. They can make the choice to buy doritos and mountain dew with their own cash. But the taxpayers shouldn't be paying for their junk food cravings through EBT/SNAP.
     
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    Anyone who doesn't have mommy still shopping for them knows that is 100% fact.
     
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    I'd be interested in seeing what they define as healthy, there may be a bunch of excessive "health" supplements and stuff you don't need.

    Chicken breast, frozen veggies, rice, beans, etc. This is what I base my diet around and this stuff is dirt cheap and surely cheaper than 6-8 dollar fast food meals.

    As for the topic, despite this not being as big a deal as fox news would have you believe, I wouldn't be apposed to regulating what you can buy.
     
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    That site is a little silly. Their click-throughs on the study pages go to dead links, so I can't really see what they used for comparison. It mentions discrepancy between healthier and less healthy types of various foods, but I don't think their comparison assumes a lot of fast food. The wording suggests it's more like chicken thighs compared to skinless chicken breast. One is considered healthier than the other, speaking of which, really good chicken isn't exactly cheap. I wanted to see what they wrote as healthy for beef. Some steak cuts are quite expensive, yet not necessarily the healthiest option.
     
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    How come the scientists disagree?
     

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