Michigan feels the Bern!

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by aaronvan, Mar 8, 2016.

  1. aaronvan Suspended

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    I bet that tomorrow former Enron advisor and current Hillary lapdog Paul Krugman will write a column on how NAFTA was actually good for Michigan workers.
     
  2. SoAnyway macrumors 6502

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    Here comes Ber... Never mind, Bernie was here all along!
     
  3. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    Cool, unfortunately he still doesn't have any chance. Look at how bad he does in the south.
     
  4. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    That's not how the math works.

    Putting aside super delegates (which historically go with the popular vote), there is still a clear path to the candidacy.

    What happens when Bernie takes California?
     
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    If Clinton has to squeak out a win from a socialist then she doesn't have a chance against someone who has actually created capital/jobs.
     
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    We'll be here waiting when you're done licking the boot of business.
     
  7. nfl46 macrumors 603

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    California isn't until June. She'd have officially clinched the nomination by then. Stop being delusional. He won Michigan fair and square but at the end of the night, she walked away gaining more delegates AND increased her pledge delegate lead than the day before. This is NOT rocket science. Bernie cannot squeak out wins against her and expect to win the nomination. He has to really beat her by a large margin to gather a ton more delegates than her. Even if it wins every state next Tuesday by 2%, it still won't matter because they would split the delegates. That is NOT good enough when you are down 200+ pledge delegates.

    I don't even look at SD numbers anymore before you try to tell me about them.
     
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    If you think that Bernie's message isn't spreading like wildfire, and are still relying on the polls (which last night showed are unreliable, especially given that they almost exclusively focus on what is defined as "likely" voters), it's not I that remains delusional.
     
  9. nfl46 macrumors 603

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    Did you not read what I said?

    Because from the looks of it, you are so worried about him spreading his message and NOT winning the nomination. Not once did I mention anything about polls. I talked about (pledge) delegates and the math of clinching the nomination.

    How is Sanders going to make up 200+ pledged delegates? Is his "message" going to win upcoming states by 2 to 1 margins?
     
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    As another poster mentioned California isn't until the end of the primary season so any momentum from there won't help. Also googling for polls show that Clinton is up in California. But let's assume for the moment that those polls are wrong. California delegates are awarded proportionally, so he may win by 5 or 10% but that isn't enough to put him anywhere near over the top unless he starts winning huge wins in most every state and he hasn't demonstrated that he can do that.
     
  11. nfl46 macrumors 603

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    My point exactly! I'd admit: I think everyone was shocked he won Michigan last night, but it's about math right now. He can win EVERY state from here on by a couple % and still won't win the nomination. He's just simply too far behind.
     
  12. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    Bernie lost before the first ballot was counted. Hillary bought enough of the super delegates so she never had to even win the popular vote, just 35% and she's in.
     
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    I might not be wild about Sanders, but if your a Democrat and a gun owner he's better then Clinton. At the last debate she basically argued the point that gun manufactures and sellers should be sued for every shooting even if their products are sold and bought 100% legally. Sanders disagreed with that and stated Clinton's goal with that would be to completely end gun manufacturing and sales in the US. She didn't argue or even comment about what he said.

    Any Democrats that care at all about the 2nd Amendment (there are a lot especially in the Midwest and West) are probably better off with Sanders.

    If Clinton does win the nomination it will be interesting to see if she continues with the extreme anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric into the fall.
     
  14. zioxide, Mar 9, 2016
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    When are we going to finally dispel this myth that rich people create jobs?

    Demand creates jobs. If Trump dropped dead and his business disappeared, another business would just take his place.
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    Keep telling yourself that.

    She has 760 to his 546. There's still like 3000 left to award.

    Super delegates are irrelevant until the convention. Shillary had a huge super lead in 2008 and they all switched to Obama at the convention.

    The Shill is running out of southern states. Watch what happens when Bernie wins most of the remaining Midwest states and places like Cali.
     
  15. nfl46 macrumors 603

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    Sigh. Have a good day.
     
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    Why can't you counter?
     
  17. zioxide macrumors 603

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    It must suck seeing your mom lose in Michigan after the polls all claimed a 20% blowout, eh?

    I mean, you are Chelsea, right? That's about the only reason I could think you could be so blindly loyal to someone with as little integrity as Shillary.
     
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    (finger in ears)

    "NYAAA NYAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
     
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    I don't understand how anyone can say the super delegates are irrelevant before the convention. That's just insanity talking. These give her a huge lead as reported by every news service, every day. This perception makes her a winner in the eyes of the uninformed, and they want to vote for a winner.

    Some analysts have said this perception is worth 25% of the votes she gets in every state.
     
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    While as an individual he is not in the lead, Bernie has already won in terms of his influence. Look at Clinton's messaging at the start of her campaign, and compare it to her messaging now. She has adopted over 75% of Bernie's ideas and promises since the start. Compare that to Bernie's messaging at the start of his campaign, he hasn't changed much at all since then. Bernie and his supporters have forced Clinton to talk about their issues and to adopt their positions. Clinton has lead on only one issue, gun control. For everything else, Bernie has had almost total control of the conversation in the democratic primary race. If Clinton wins the primary and goes on to win the presidency, the Bernie ideas and positions will be with her for the entire time she is in office. For a grass-roots movement, that would be a win.
     
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    Unless of course Clinton continues in the vein of Bill Clinton and Obama, campaign as a progressive and then govern as a corporatist.
     
  22. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    It's not uncommon for candidates to move to the left or right during a primary and then move back to the center gome the general election. In fact it's pretty much the rule, not the exception.
     
  23. aaronvan thread starter Suspended

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    Take off the rose-colored glasses. Hillary refuses to release her Goldman-Sachs transcripts and will not apologize for supporting NAFTA, TPP, and repealing Glass-Steagal.
     
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    democrats signed our kids futures away and here you have people supporting them:mad:

    anyways the super delegates can still go to BS once Hillary gets indicted :D
     
  25. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Are these the same analysts that claimed Shillary was going to win Michigan by 15-20+%?
     

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