Microsoft, Apple and Digital Music Cooperation?

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According to Reuters, Apple and Microsoft are reportedly in negotiations "aimed at meeting the music industry's goal of compatibility among competing digital music devices by 2005."

Current digital music downloads exist in two primary formats - AAC and WMA - neither of which is inter-compatible. According to the article, current negotiations presently revolve around the ability to convert from one DRM format to another, preserving the digital rights management. Unfortunately, this may be both time consuming and lossy (potential loss of audio quality).
 

heuer007

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ABoyNamedEVIL

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you know, it's not so much that...it just makes me uneasy when apple licenses stuff. reminds me of the clone machines that Stevie pulled the plug on.

I dunno, I'm just skeptical when it comes to doing business with the devil...
 

NavyIntel007

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Converting for DRM bla bla bla...

Just make WMA work on an ipod and AAC work on other players. Why make it so the music is MORE lossy?
 

displaced

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Yes, choice is good... but since when have Microsoft ever done anything to encourage choice amongst their users?

Remember Netscape?

Apple may demand that you buy their hardware. But what you do with and run on that hardware Apple leaves up to you.

MS aren't always so polite.
 

omnivector

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Can anyone here honeslty name an OS that doesn't have a heavy UNIX influence in the past few years? Irix, AIX, Mac OS X, NeXT Step, BeOS, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and HP-UX are all i can name off the top of my head.

oh wait, windows, is the only OS that isn't based off of unix. i really wish microsoft would get a clue.
 

jholzner

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I"m glad that at least something is being done. Of course I want an iPod and to use iTunes but I don't like the idea of being LOCKED into that set up.
 

l008com

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Originally posted by dho
To me I simply view this as annother option. Since when did choice hurt people?
When a company takes away your choices, and makes you think that they are in fact doing the exact opposite [MS!], that hurts people. Yes Linux is definitely going to get much more popular in the near future, as is Mac OS. But the key is Linux and Mac are both unix and they feed off each other in positive ways, making each other better, and more popular. Where as windows is itself, a virus.
"Something's wrong with my computer"...
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jholzner

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Also, now that Apple is such a dominate source in the music download biz and digital music player arena they are being referred to as a tech giant.

"While this is not specifically an Apple and Microsoft matter, many of the practical issues center on compatibility between the two tech giants."

I know that they were industry leaders and all but we all remember the days of beleaguered Apple.
 

l008com

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People seem to just want the two formats to magically work together. People don't realize there are very real, good reasons why Apple uses what it uses, and why MS uses what it uses. MS won't switch to AAC because that won't let them muscle into the market and take over. Apple won't use WMA because what's bad for MS is good for Apple, and MS is shady, so its good to stand up for something, even if WMA was good/better than AAC.
 

Foocha

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The fact that Apple and Microsoft are talking presumably indicates that Apple's success in this area has got Microsoft's attention.

I very much doubt that Apple will just roll-over and die in these negotiations, but equally, it would not be smart to ignore options - one wrong move in this game and Apple could lose the temporary monopoly that they have so successfully built up.

Recent non-Unix OSs: BeOS, Symbian, Palm OS 6.
 

Sabenth

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Lossy files just great whats the point i do get the point :confused: i just think both of them should just share the files on any player like some one else has mentioned
 

DeadEye686

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Originally posted by ITR 81
I say why doesn't MS kill it's WMA and just start using AAC only.
Because then it wouldn't be their proprietary format and they couldn't charge people for licensing :D
 

splashman

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Apple in catbird seat (for now)

It's a very nice position to be in. Here's a couple of good quotes from the Reuters article:

With Apple controlling much of the nascent legitimate digital music market, the onus for concessions in the compatibility debate largely falls on the company -- a prospect one rival executive likens to "unilateral disarmament."

"Increased operability is great for consumers. But if you're in Apple's situation, it's not in your interest to do this," says a source.
The only people who "unilaterally disarm" are those who are suicidal or those who are threatened with physical, economic, or political annihilation.

I don't expect Apple to change their ways until they've got something to gain by the change. Right now, they don't.

Specifically regarding Apple and MS, I'm sure MS would like to be associated with a winner, as long as there's money to be made, but there's no way MS will agree to anything unless it promotes their Frankensteinian standard (WMA). They've simply invested too much to back down now.

I can think of a dozen different ways this could play out, and I don't even want to guess. I have to admit I'm nervous -- this is a very high-stakes poker game, kids. Apple holds all four aces at the moment; that could change after a few more hands . . .

[EDIT: punctuation]
 

l008com

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Yes, and MS can't just make all these players play AAC's either, thats up to the players and has nothing to do with MS at all.

Better yet, why doesn't everyone use iTMS and everyone only buy iPods from now on. Problem solved :-D
 

desdomg

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If it is the music industries goal to push for device compatibility by 2005 then Apple and MS dont really have much choice but to talk. Dont forget that the Music Industry is the real power broker here, not Apple and MS. Sounds like the are looking at a way of importing WMA files for use on the iPod and AAC files for use on other devices to me. Sounds good.
 

jholzner

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Well, regardless of what happens with MS and Apple I really think that Apple should allow music purchased from Real's music store to work with iTunes and the iPod. Better yet maybe license fairplay to Real. As long as real is using AAC and the goal of the music store is to sell iPods (in Apples case) it seems like a win win situation. Real gets compatibly with the most popular MP3 player and Apple promotes is format of choice (AAC) and iPods continue to sell well while at the same time giving users another choice in music download stores.
 

el gringo

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yes! that's the truth...and hopefully Linux makes people change OS and then hopefully people dare to change to OSX :)

I know a couple of programmers migrating to Linux - then it was only a question of time before they got themselves a Powerbook...GUI & unix i a box ;)

Originally posted by l008com

Yes Linux is definitely going to get much more popular in the near future, as is Mac OS. But the key is Linux and Mac are both unix and they feed off each other in positive ways, making each other better, and more popular. Where as windows is itself, a virus.
"Something's wrong with my computer"...
"Yeah, its a dell"
 
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