Midterm elections are a reflection on how well the president is doing.

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  1. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Can feel the narrative building already so thought I would post some evidence of my assertion above:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/03/AR2010110303997.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/3507165/alison-grimes-barack-obama-midterm-elections

     
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    Obama didn’t throw a big tantrum about it though. Wait and see how Trump responds if he’s still POtuS in November. Probably wail like a three year old having a bad day.
     
  3. aristobrat macrumors G5

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    If I change the name of the President (in the quote below) to our current President, it's kind of hard to read out loud without chuckling.

     
  4. martint235 macrumors 6502

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    Mid-terms seem to be like local elections over here in the sense that they will be spun to mean anything. If the Republicans lose big time, Trump will just say the mid-terms aren't really a reflection on his presidency they are about the public's disaffection with the "swamp". If the Republicans win or hold then it will be a fantastic demonstration by the people of their belief in his presidency.

    One thing is certain though, if the Reps get kicked Trump won't feel sorry for people losing their roles or feel any sense that there is a connection to him being an idiot
     
  5. BeeGood macrumors 68000

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    Exactly. If the GOP has a good outing, it’s becuase he’s “winning”. If they don’t, he’ll simply roll them under the bus like he’s done in the past.
     
  6. edk99 macrumors 6502a

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    I just find it odd that people who typically vote for one party would vote for a different party based on how well a president is doing. We saw this with Obama and probably will see something similar with Trump. Here in FL hopefully we pick up a senate seat as our governor will run for senate now. He has done a good job the last 8 years and see no reason why he would not do a good job as a senator.
     
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    I hear the same narrative that Trump has lived by. It will be someone else's fault if he loses and if he wins, it's all because of him.

    There's likely no other narrative.
     
  8. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Funny.. yet you'd say nothing about the 2010 midterms which justified Obama as well. But we'll bite on the Whataboutism card.

    You're already starting with the Early Crow, and as others have mentioned before, you're setting yourself up here for failure should this "shellacking" come to Trump. This is nothing more than trying to support a guy when he has been wrong in every way, yet Trump supporters eat this up every single day like valium.... or a burger.... or a well used porn star... or....

    BL.
     
  9. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Just preparing for the typical midterm flip and the Dems trying to make it about the presidency. Although personally I wouldn't have been able to resist placing blame on Obama in 2010/2014, I expect you all to take the high road and realize midterms typically go against the incumbant.
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    It's more about energizing your base against the person in power IMO. ie people are more complacent if they are in power.
     
  10. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Now it's about the "typical midterm flip" when you were celebrating the "shellacking" of Obama's so-called "failed presidency" during the previous midterms. You can't have this both ways without sounding completely hypocritical and downplaying midterms to defend and support Trump. If votes flip chambers in Congress, we would fully expect you to come back here and talk about the "shellacking" Trump would equally receive. If not, well... we will have seen a pure and true example of hypocrisy.

    It's sad when Obama can realize what happened during midterms, but Trump and his supports can't when and if it happens to them.

    BL.
     
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    The typical midterm flip would not be enough to give the Democrats the House, maybe the Senate, but not likely given which states are up. We will see what actually happens.
     
  13. LizKat, Apr 12, 2018
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    The midterms are usually about how the legislative agenda's working out for a President and his party, yes. Or how it's working out having a President of one party and a Congress led by the other. But when the Congress and Prez are of the same party, it's not a very good sign when it starts looking like the voters want to clean house in Congress.

    Something's gone wrong there and you can't always tell who's going to get "permanently" blamed until after the next presidential election. Could be the Prez, could be the Congress. It looks like some GOP House members would rather not be around for when the voters weigh in on what they think so far, and so they are retiring. I think the count is up to 43 now including the current Speaker of the House, whose voluntary early retirement is quite unusual. Usually they only leave early because they're about to lose the speakership post regardless of whether there's a federal election on tap. Ryan said he wants to spend more time with his family. He's probably had enough hassle dealing with a fractured party, and a fractious President who may have a tenuous grip on his own office. Anyway this is a strange situation and a little demoralizing for Congressional Republicans who thought Ryan would run for re-election and so be around to lead them through the midterms. He says he'll do that since he's not leaving until January, but he's a lame duck now so the speakership might change hands before November to try to get some momentum back.

    As far as your enthusiasm for Governor Scott of Florida hoping to defeat Nelson for a Senate seat: there appear to be some Democrats in Florida who are less enchanted, and some media outlets willing to go on record to back that up. They're just opinions, but they scarfed up some facts on which to base them.

    Here's what a Tampa paper said in 2014 about his first four years regarding Scott's environmental record:
    And then there's what Rachel Maddow had to say about that in 2015

    Fast forward to 2018 and the WaPo notes Scott's been tagged an "election-year environmentalist" and has a disastrous record on environmental issues until suddenly now he's opposed to offshore drilling... because so is his opponent, incumbent Democrat Senator Nelson. So I dunno. Environment is not the only topic on any table, but in a state with a seacoast it's a significant issue due to climate change concerns.

     
  14. Huntn macrumors P6

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    He’ll claim it’s about the incompetent Republicans, not him the best, most wonderful crotch grabbing, President ever!!! :oops:
     
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    It’s also important to keep in mind the structural electoral advantage the Republicans have thanks to gerrymandering. In 2016, Republicans won 49 percent of the overall vote in House elections, but they ended up with 55 percent of the seats. Democrats have to win the overall vote by an estimated 7 percent or more to get a majority of seats this year.
     
  16. LizKat macrumors 601

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    Fair and balanced... what's a thumb or two on the scale, a slip of pen when making a map... /S
     
  17. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    LOL. This can’t be a serious discussion when truth, logic and facts mean nothing.

    Trump logic is a hell of a drug.
     
  18. LizKat macrumors 601

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    You know, I had that thought the other day when I was trying to get myself to keep working on a task I had found not only tedious but possibly an unjustifiable use of my time.

    Honestly it crossed my mind to wonder how Trumpistas at this point can maintain their devotion to this President. I could use that level of dedication, I thought. Where does it come from?

    But you're right, it could be that once we cast aside the annoying burden of requiring that it has to make sense to stick with an original plan, it becomes easier to stay the course than to retrieve critical thinking tools and consider making a change. It's not so much dedication as default.

    PS. I managed to snap out of my obsession with my questionably worthwhile task because it was lunchtime. Keep it simple I always say. Some tomato soup and a cheese sandwich later I had a better idea of how to spend the afternoon. Maybe we just need to open a good soup kitchen for the left-behinds. ;)
     
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    The mid-terms are generally viewed as a protest vote whereby the party of the president will be hit either by stay at homes, or those who are comfortable voting for the other party. FL really hasn't been the same since Jeb vacated the governor's office.
     
  20. RedKite macrumors regular

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    Good heavens what a mind bender that was! Why can’t DJT just act like a real human being? Why does he speak like an imbecile?
     

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