Military judge throws out Guantánamo case

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  1. geese macrumors 6502a

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    Looks like the horror of Gitmo is hopefully starting to unravel.
     
  2. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    I doubt it. Hopefully he's rehabilitated by the experience.
     
  3. skunk macrumors G4

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    I'd love to hear how being held without charge for five years is likely to "rehabilitate" anyone. Would it do that for you?
     
  4. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    Yeah rehabilitated from being innocent to........
     
  5. solvs macrumors 603

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    Rehabilitated? From what? He was innocent! :confused: A lot of them are.

    But no, if he and his didn't already hate the US enough, this will do it. Some of you wonder why people hate us. I'd say this doesn't help. Multiply that by everyone else we're incarcerating, mutilating, killing the family and friends of. Wonder how you'd feel if it was you or yours.

    Sorry, I forgot, it's ok because Muslims are bad and we're so much more civilized, the guy probably deserved it. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    Hmm. Grenade throwing murderer and that makes him innocent.

    Face it, the only reason he's getting out is due to a glitch in terminology, not because this kid is innocent.
     
  7. miloblithe macrumors 68020

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    Was he innocent at 10?
     
  8. geese thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    And the evidence of him being a 10 year old murderer is.... where exactly?
     
  9. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    The people that watched him chuck the grenade and then chased him down and apprehended him. Does everything have to be a video clip on YouTube to be believed anymore? Geez.

    I guess it's easier to believe that American soldiers just spontaneously explode.
     
  10. adroit macrumors 6502

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    Hmm, what are american soldiers throwing? Peaches?
     
  11. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Ironic isn't it. This administration spent a lot of time and energy rewriting, repealing, reinterpreting, weaseling around, and/or exploiting technicalities in national and international laws to try and make it seem just and lawful to torture people and detain them indefinitely w/o proper, if any, access to legal council and now it is a technicality that may be the beginning of the end for this dark spot in US history.

    Funny statement coming from someone who can be shown things like this:


    and respond with this:

    Lethal
     
  12. Queso macrumors G4

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    It's a shame their Commander in Chief doesn't lead by example.
     
  13. skunk macrumors G4

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    It isn't a question of what you believe. It's called "Due Process". Suck it up, as you Americans seem to be inordinately fond of saying.
     
  14. solvs macrumors 603

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    No, it's just easier to believe we have the wrong people far too many times. Probably because we have the wrong people far too many times. Just like, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it's easier for you to believe every one we've captured is guilty. Even if they aren't.

    Ironic that we may have gotten one of the guilty ones, but had to let them go because of our screws ups and pulling resources for the wrong ones.
     
  15. TheAnswer macrumors 68030

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    Alguien necesita decir a los pinche "chavs" del periódico The Guardian como poner el acento en "Guantánamo". Gracias al "OP" por ponerlo correctamente.
     
  16. CanadaRAM macrumors G5

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    No.
    Grenade throwing soldier in a time of war. That is what soldiers do, and does not warrant being charged with war crimes.

    Innocent of charges brought because
    1) the charges brought were invalid, and
    2) shooting and grenadeing whilst in a firefight are accepted activities under the rules of warfare (Duh!)

    The US tries to maintain the fiction that there is no war, and no organized opposing "army", therefore anyone that the US Army engages is, ipso facto, an "illegal combatant" aka a terrorist. Meaning, of course that the US assigns themselves the right to detain without charges the ones they don't kill. And that since there is no "war", then the detainees are not prisoners of war, and therefore have no rights under the Geneva convention. Then of course somebody slips up and calls the detainees what they really are, soldiers, and the house of cards collapses.

    Keep in mind that this 15 year old was also shot, seriously wounded and lost an eye to injuries sustained when the USAF bombed the #*$* out of him, too.

    But let's say you are right - by your definiton, then, there are tens of thousands of grenade-throwing, machine-gun-firing, mine-exploding murderers on the loose in Iraq. All of them indoctrinated in organized training camps, most of them foreign fighters for hire, in Iraq to fight for the cause of their leader. And all of them wearing the Stars and Stripes.
     
  17. it5five macrumors 65816

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    As if Guantanamo wasn't a complete disaster already (which is something the left has known for ages), I was listening to NPR today when they were talking to an ex-interrogator. He used to work at Gitmo, and wrote a book about the torture and complete ineffectiveness of the interrogation procedures of this country.

    Link to the show description

    Listen to the segment. It'll do some of you righties some good.
     
  18. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Well, first he was 15 at the time and therefore already occupies some strange legal state, but the problem is also one of how the military tribunals are supposed to work with the US legal framework, civilian or military, not to mention the inherent schism with the Geneva Convention.

    Furthermore, I find it interesting that you continue to support this travesty of justice considering other dyed in the wool conservatives, including John Ashcroft, General Petraeus and Robert Gates have expressed specific concerns about the practice.

    I'm not going to go as far as call the kid 'innocent' but I fail to see how years in Gitmo and a military tribunal are going to do anything but turn this kid into a hardened operative.
     
  19. solvs macrumors 603

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    Not all of them. Some of them wear black. And get paid a lot better. With no oversight.

    But they do, technically, work for the US gov... so your point is made, but it's even worse than you mentioned.
     
  20. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    So if Hollyweird made a movie where a young American was caught up in a foreign occupier's prison system for little to no charge, would that movie end with said prisoner gaining gloriously explosive revenge upon his former captors?

    Or would it end with said American being labeled a terrorist and locked away forever?
     
  21. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    No, we're there in cooperation with the elected government of Iraq. If they were capable of organically enforcing their own laws and security, we'd be out of there in a flash - at least the majority of troops. I have no doubt that we'll maintain a presence there for some time.
     
  22. Queso macrumors G4

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    Don't make me laugh. So the gravy trainers let you stay do they? And what about co-operation outside the Green Zone?

    The US in Iraq is exactly like the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, and it looks like it will end the same way.
     
  23. Thanatoast macrumors 6502a

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    lol. The Iraqi parliement voted last month, asking us to leave.

    link

    an even better, more recent, and more damning link
     
  24. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Not to mention that when we got there the government in place at the time didn't want us there.

    What a weak argument!
     
  25. skunk macrumors G4

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    You just make up this crap as you go along, don't you? Black is the new white. Shameless and indefensible. You surely can't believe half the stuff you come out with.
     

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