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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Buschmaster, Mar 14, 2008.
Crazy. It's hardest when it's someone you know. I remember when I was a teen watching the news and seeing the guy that used to accompany me on the piano for music competitions getting hauled away by the police for molesting his own daughter. I was shocked, and glad that he apparently wasn't into boys when I thought of all the hours I spent alone practicing music with him...
Castrate the bast**d
Wow. That is among the most horrible and messed up things I've ever heard.
Forgive me for indulging my academic curiosity here, but if I may ask, what do you mean when you say he "seemed weird?" I've known a lot of people you could call weird, but nobody who would ever do something anywhere close to this so far as I know.
That is one sick puppy - that guy is totally screwed up.
I agree with Father Jack, but only after he has had a chat with a cordless drill.
Sick bastard. And no, 60 years isn't enough.
I hope all of you Minnesotians aren't that messed up, there's a chance I'll be moving up there this summer for a job
Us Minnesotans are great. Sure there is a nutball here or there, but they don't say 'Minnesota Nice' for nothing.
So, as far as him being "weird" I mean, he had binoculars and would watch people in the parking lot but seemed to be an easy going guy so you didn't think him to be of any harm.
What sucks is if you asked me before I heard about this if he were my friend I would've said yes. Upon hear this I regret ever considering him a friend.
Why'd she leave him in the house? Hours of threatening text messages and then "Oh come on in"?
I think with sixty years in prison and all that accompanies it he might get close to what he deserves
Yea why'd she let him in? And why didn't she try to stop him when he started to assault the child? She could've hit him with a chair or something.
And you're right, 60 years isn't enough.
What he said.
I can't believe that the sitter let him in the house.
I think with sixty years in prison and all that accompanies it he might get close to what he deserves
edit: sorry wrong quote, i meant the previous message (and a couple others)
now it is her fault?
she called the police at the messages, she called the police when he showed up. he assaulted her.
and how do you know she didn't try to stop him?
death penalty in my book, i cant imagine if i were the dad of the 2 y/o
NO REASON EVER to molest anyone, esp a 2 year old
hope he burns in he11
where did I say it was her fault?
maybe I should clarify
with sixty years in prison and all that accompanies it HE might end up getting close to what he deserves.
note the word HE and the derogatory starred statement typically aimed towards men
I think he's sick, but I don't know if he deserves 60 years. People have done far worse things and gotten a much shorter jail term. I think 10-15 years seems appropriate. I'm actually glad she was 2 years old and not 3 or 4 years old. She probably won't remember it.
An adult woman would definitely remember it, and yet he probably wouldn't get 60 years for doing it to a woman. What would he get for something like rape in the US.....10-15 years?
Rape on a grown women would probably earn you less time, but when it comes to little kids...
I feel like the time is just. The little girl probably won't remember it, but that doesn't mean it won't change her forever.
I don't mean to sound dispassionate, but I think a lot of the responses in this thread are emblematic of why pedophilia is as poorly diagnosed and prevented as it is.
Information on pedophilia isn't particularly well-defined, and much of it is biased by the emotional devastation pedophilia encompasses. However, we do know certain traits are dominant in pedophiles, typically lower intelligence, OCD, impulse control disorders. One particularly distressing statistic is the number of pedophiles who were sexually abused themselves. At it's minimum, a male victim of pedophilia is twice as likely, and a female victim three times as likely, to engage in pedophilia themselves than the general populace (random controls). At it's maximum, 93% of male and 100% of female pedophiles were victums of sexual abuse themselves.
Would so many people be calling out for Mr. Cordie's blood if it turned out he himself had been abused in similar ways?
Nearly all of the comments in this thread (and popular reaction to pedophilia in general) are focussed on what a sick person the pedophile is, and what should be done to him or her. Almost none of the attention goes where it should, and that is to the poor little boy or girl who will forever be chased by their disturbing encounter.
The focus should be on how we curb pedophilia, and that means effectively treating it's victims. If we spent as much time and energy focussed on the victims, we may start to see people step forward and seek treatment before they take action.
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
Disclaimer: I am in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM advocating "softer" sentencing for convicted pedophiles. They should face the stiff penalties associated with sexual assault of this nature.
Scum of the universe......and yet we are going to spend lots of money keeping this bastard in prison for X amount of years...stick him in the middle of Antarctica naked...that'll teach him, and possibly kill him.
1) "The babysitter told police that...<snip>" is all the evidence of his alleged actions that I saw in the article. This woman and the alleged molester are ex-boyfriend and ex-girl friend. It's entirely possible that she was just trying to hurt him with these allegations. To all you people saying "castrate him" and "kill him" etc, you're the reason why it's great to live in America, because you can't all just get riled up by one person's allegations and go out in a mob to wreak vigilante street 'justice' based on almost no evidence. If he IS guilty, then you have every right to be outraged, but presuming him guilty based on the evidence that was presented in this article and using only that as justification to spew vile disgusting words of hate at him... that makes YOU a disgusting hateful person. If it turns out that it becomes pretty clear that he did do it, then you'd be fully justified in condemning him. But doing that before it's clear what happened just makes you a dark hateful person.
2) You either have to stop calling him "sick," or you have to stop saying he should be tortured or killed. If someone is sick, then they should NOT be punished for their actions, they should be treated for their sickness. If you don't think they are sick, then you'd be justified in calling for punishment, but you shouldn't be calling them sick. IF (I said *IF*) you really think this is behavior that only a truly sick person could do, then he'd be no more in control of his actions than a person with turrets syndrome who uncontrollably shouts out inappropriate things at inappropriate times. (remember I said *IF*)
Lol, I know you Buschmaster, and to prove it I'll tell you that those were my binoculars... and I did enjoy living on the 9th floor with Mr. Cordie.. he was a little obsessive over some things but had no signs of having this in him... I'm calling severe mental defect. I really hope they send him for a complete mental exam because I'm sure they will find something severely wrong with him.
No death penalty in MN. also odds are hes mentally f*ed up and you cant execute a mentally f*ed up person. I don't even think Texas would do that...
Side thought... how do you get charged with two counts of assault when there is one victim and one instance of assault?
Wait. You lived with him as in roommates or just on our foot? I'm just trying to figure out who you are.
iTeen, I bet buying Antarctica to use as a prison would cost more than the current prisons. Plus, those are going to be gone soon anyway. Haven't you seen the day after tomorrow?
So the police officer finding the boyfriend with his belt undone in the bedroom with the naked toddler admitting he was "tickling" her means nothing to you? This also after he admitted doing some things to the girl and sent text messages hours before saying he wanted to have sex with the 2 year olds, their mother and the ex girlfriend? What else do you need?
and the mother of the child saying the girl was skittish when she was being changed and bathed means nothing?
It seems that this issue is beginning to spawn into a PRSI-related one...
Not to speak for motulist, but that whole pesky justice system for starters. It seems to me that motulist was saying, "Innocent until proven guilty," which, while it may have been undermined in certain areas, is still a fundamental right in our justice system. Absolutes are often very rare, even more so in the area of circumstantial evidence. As with any slippery slope, it's best to tread lightly.
As a side-bar follow up to Iscariot's response, I would be curious to know -- those of you who are chomping at the bit to hang this guy by the gallows -- how many of you will remember this incident 15 to 30 years from now? Because, even at 2 years old, the victim in this case is now at higher risk of perpetuating the cycle of abuse. Should the worst happen, will you then wish the same punishment of fire and brimstone upon a person whom you witnessed to have once been a victim?
Where do we draw the line in our conscience?*
*While I find it sad that I have to do this, I'll be using Iscariot's disclaimer verbatim (with the exception of a minor typo fix). Disclaimer: I am in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM advocating "softer" sentencing for convicted pedophiles. They should face the stiff penalties associated with sexual assault of this nature.
A little due process would be good. And a little less lynch mob. I suspect the virulence of the rhetoric about paedophiles is related to the virulence of the rhetoric about homosexuality. The amount of borderline paedophilia espoused in mainstream pornography, and even advertising, the amount of borderline homosexuality in predominantly male - and female - environments such as the armed forces and sports, the blurriness of the dividing lines and the greyness of the definitions, cause no end of problems and insecurities for many people brought up to think of the world in binary terms. Men who would be horrified to think of their own daughters being treated as sexual objects are nonetheless quite ready to ogle provocative pictures of young girls on the internet.
That said, the guy in question needs treatment.
Dammit- would you please just marry me already? You're killing me, man. Thoughtful, and good post. Where should we honeymoon?