Minnesota School Shooting

mlw1235

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Don't see this posted anywhere. . .
Here's the link: Link


If you read in my sig there (the ribbon of promise link), stories like this are really big deals to me. As a high school student, I can't imagining it ever happening at my school, but my realist side keeps reminding me that it could happen anywhere.

How sad is this?
 

PlaceofDis

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very sad, my thoughts go out to those families
be interesting to hear the reports from the investigation as well
 

wdlove

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A very sad situation. Another very troubled young man. Now that he is dead, will never know why. Can't even imagine how terrified it must have been in the school. My prayers go out to the families and friends. :(
 

Mr. Anderson

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very sad - I hope they figure out what happened or have some idea of his reasons for picking that class. And with all the people shot he had to have reloaded the weapon.....that's just not right.

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Lacero

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This is like the 4th major shooting this month. Very sad. Perhaps the media should not report these incidents anymore so youths are not desensitized to these brutal acts.
 

acedickson

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You can't blame the media, movies, or violent video games. It's the individual and nothing more. Something was really wrong in his head and, just like the cowardly act of terrorists, he targeted innocent people.
 

ham_man

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I really feel for the families of those lost. As a freshman like this kid most likely was, this strikes home. I guess that this kid will live out his punishment in eternity...
 

Blue Velvet

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acedickson said:
You can't blame the media, movies, or violent video games. It's the individual and nothing more.
Living in a society that glorifies & revels in violence and which uses violence to project its foreign policy has no effect on the individual and their perception of the world?

It's the air that you breathe.
And guns don't kill people, people kill people, right? :rolleyes:

What's the betting, that in many quarters, this will raise fewer eyebrows than Janet Jacksons' nipple?
 

Dalriada

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That's such a true statment Blue Velvet :( Freedom of speech is one thing but really the ultra violent stuff hitting the streets these days (whether movies or video games) in my view is getting way out of hand and it's no surprise that some kids are simply enacting what they've seen. I look forward to the day when some lawsuit will be made against those publishing such ultra violent stuff. My 2 cents.

- Dal.
 

redeye be

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Blue Velvet said:
And guns don't kill people, people kill people, right?
true.
In this case the killer did use a gun though. How was he able to get that gun? But that's another discussion

These things are not good news.
Lacero said:
Perhaps the media should not report these incidents anymore so youths are not desensitized to these brutal acts.
But it's not because it's not good, that i don't want to know
 

iGav

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Dalriada said:
it's no surprise that some kids are simply enacting what they've seen.
And here lies the problem, one of parental responsilbility.
 

ziwi

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Right back where I started...
We can blame the media, we can blame policies, we can blame parents, but ultimately it comes down to the one who committed the crime. It comes down to that individual and the choice they made. We can go on about why they made the choice and how it can be justified and all, but in the end we are all ultimately responsible for our own choices and the consequences they bring.

Are we that messed up of a society that there is no definition between what is right and wrong anymore. Where is the measuring stick - where do people get their moral grounding to determine what is right and wrong. I think it is lost and as time goes by it is clear that what is percieved as 'normal' is on a downward sliding line.
 

Dalriada

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iGav said:
And here lies the problem, one of parental responsilbility.
Fully agree that parents must play a big role and keep an eye on what their kids are upto and I for one am trying real hard.

But compare it to the tobacco industry handing out free cigs or to fast food chains luring people to screw up their eating habits... as long as ultra violent media is able to be found on street shelves then yes we're on a downhill slope.... (just preview the forthcoming movie "SAW")

- Dal
 

4409723

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Dalriada said:
(just preview the forthcoming movie "SAW")
- Dal
It's a horror movie, violence comes with the territory.

I'm sure they'll go to this kids house, look at his computer and find some shoot 'em ups. I'm an 18 year old guy and let's see... 95% of my male friends have these games, and how many of these people crack?

I'm undecided whether the games causes the violence, maybe they give people the mental ability to think 'yes, i could pull the trigger', but I, for one, couldn't.
 

Phobophobia

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Ten bucks says that the kid was on antidepressants, just like with Columbine. Cocaine would be much safer.
 

4409723

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'*No motive has been given for the shooting. But the Associated Press reports today that an Internet search brought up the name of Jeff Weise of Red Lake on a Web site www.nazi.org. In the Web posts, Weise expresses admiration for Adolf Hitler and calls himself the "Angel of Death." The messages were posted last year on a Web site operated by the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party.'

Right...

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:Dlr86foA5hcJ:www.nazi.org/current/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=nativeamerican;action=print;num=1079672948+"Jeff+Weise"+nazi&hl=en&client=safari

The cache in question.

Reading about what the guy says in the article:

He says somebody accused him of plotting something like this a year ago, to shoot people on Hitler's B-day. The shooting happened on monday (sunday being Hitler's birthday).
 

CelticBhoy

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guns don't kill people ............

guns don't kill people ............ bullets kill people !

I live in the UK where guns are banned. The police are not armed. Could someone give me a summary of why so many people have guns in the States ? I know it goes back to your founding as a nation, and is a right, but doesn't every gun tragedy make you want to change it ?

I'm sure that people will argue that cars don't kill people etc, and it's people who kill people. But I'm just not convinced with this argument.

So please could someone enlighten me, set me straight, put me right, and let me know why it's ok to have guns in the general population.
 

tech4all

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CelticBhoy said:
guns don't kill people ............ bullets kill people !
But without the gun, the bullet couldn't do harm unless someone could throw a bullet fast enough to do harm (not even sure if that's possible). It's not just the bullet that kills, its a combination of different things: 1) The bullet which is fired by 2) the gun, which is triggered by 3) a person. But aside from the technical debates of what actually kills people, it's a sad story that we have seen far too many times. It just frustrates me that these people think they have the right or the need to kill people.
 

CubaTBird

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and watch.. the media is going blame those video games and computer games i bet as they always do.. i mean i see this as totally the parents/grandparents fault here.. they were totally unaware of what was happening with their son/grandson.. and its sad... :( :mad:
 

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CubaTBird said:
and watch.. the media is going blame those video games and computer games i bet as they always do.. i mean i see this as totally the parents/grandparents fault here.. they were totally unaware of what was happening with their son/grandson.. and its sad... :( :mad:
I was actually impressed with Sky News' [major private UK broadcaster] coverage. They said that many people may blame the video games, the music, or the violence in movies but the responsibility ultimately lay with the family for allowing this boy's anger to bubble under the surface in their midst.
 

wdlove

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Talking about parental responsibility, I haven't heard any mention of his parents. Wondering what he had against the grandfather? Probably his girlfriend was just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If his actions on the internet were know by those in authority, something should have been done when it came to their attention.
 

Lacero

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It's not the job of the media to babysit and mold a child's sociology. This responsibility falls directly into the laps of the parents, and no one else.

To blame the media is just putting a bandage on the source of the real problem: lack of a loving, supportive, nurturing home.
 

wdlove

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Lacero said:
It's not the job of the media to babysit and mold a child's sociology. This responsibility falls directly into the laps of the parents, and no one else.

To blame the media is just putting a bandage on the source of the real problem: lack of a loving, supportive, nurturing home.
Yes, having loving parent in a supportive home is a basic need for a healthy child. The problem is how we can have this environment for each and every child. Government intervention isn't the answer, there are just some people that have no business being parents. There is nothing more important in society than that of parent. Like many other things in life there should be classes that must be passed.