Mitt Romney and Capitalism: Republicans Eat Their Own

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  1. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    If I was a Republican and/or conservative right now, I'd be pretty confused.

    Mitt Romney, favourite for the party's nomination has been going around for the last few months touting his experience with Bain Capital and (falsely) the number of jobs he's created, while refusing to also release his tax records, normally standard practice for presidential candidates.

    His response to critics of his business record is to claim that they're using the politics of class warfare and envy. However, you'd think these critics would come from the left.

    Not so, because he's now getting attacked for his record by:

    • Newt Gingrich with his super pac, an epic 30 minute attack ad, saying that he undermined capitalism. You can watch it here.
    • Bill Kristol
    • Rick Perry
    • Various other conservative writers and pundits like Micheal Walsh and Matt Lewis

    and now, of all people, Sarah Palin.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsrju47Ua48

    None of these people you could call 'socialists' or on the left at all, unless you want to rewrite the last decade.

    Conservatives, please help me out here.
     
  2. iBlue macrumors Core

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    Politicians will spout of anything that suits them best at the time. I'm sure someone with more patience for examining political hypocrisy will come along with some insight.
     
  3. NutsNGum macrumors 68030

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    Billy Crystal! I love that guy.

    "Especially when it comes to job creation" - I particularly enjoyed that sentence coming out of Sarah Palin's mouth, as when it does, you can see she has a flashback to the Katie Couric interview.
     
  4. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    But, iBlue, we've been told for years that criticising venture capitalism was anti-American, socialist even. But now conservatives are attacking Romney for 'vulture capitalism'. Have they all turned into Michael Moore now?

    Don't know who to believe anymore. I'm so confused.

    ;)
     
  5. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    :)


    McCain, Then and Now


     
  6. leekohler macrumors G5

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    This will dog Romney up until the election.

    As if McCain hadn't already proven what an ass he is.
     
  7. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    One flip-flopper supporting another. Birds of a feather really DO flock together!!
     
  8. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    This is going to get brought up state after state. This could really derail his campaign. From Andrew Sullivan…


     
  9. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Yep- not to mention the fact that all of the candidates will then face similar scrutiny. Hell, this could be the best thing that ever happened to the US. The GOP will finally be exposed for what it has become.
     
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    Good post by rdowns, Romney was a corporate raider plain and simple and we might as well add a vietnam era draft dodger. The U.S. can do better then having a bankster for its president. I would vote for almost anyone else but only Ron Paul is really pushing a true conservative line.
    Interesting fact is Goldman Sachs is bankrolling both Romney and Obama. Goldman Sachs wins either way.
     
  11. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    Wow. Sounds like conservatives/Republicans have contradicted themselves.

    I know Democrats are breathing a sigh of relief that Obama hasn't contradicted himself.
     
  12. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Have you listened to Rush Limbaugh lately? He and his fellow extremists are getting absolutely frantic at the thought that someone who is not a tea party fanatic is going to get nominated. You can hear the barely-controlled panic in Rush's voice.

    Remember a few months ago when Romney's own campaign defended lying? I guess this is just the next step: openly copping a middle class, populist attitude and pretending that absolutely no one in the whole country will notice your utter hypocrisy. It's the modern day equivalent of the emperor's new clothes.

    I wonder. When they run out of newer and more evil ways to lie about each other, what'll they try next? Blackmail? Frame-ups?
     
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    You should be aware that Ron Paul has been pretty effectively shredded, eviscerated and scratched up a bit on this thread
     
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    Did anyone else read this as 'Kill Bristol'? I was like who'd want to kill her, she is fit :confused: then I realised my mistake :eek:
    Oh she is soooo fine :D I'd deffo bash her back doors in :eek:

    On this, Romney is obviously deceiving the Republicans... if he did create 100k jobs I bet it is in Bangalore or whatever country has cheapest labour now :p
     
  15. leekohler, Jan 12, 2012
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    Kavika- this is huge. Don't you always go on and on about the economy and jobs?

    I know it's difficult, but just for once admit these guys are wrong. I admitted I was wrong in a thread just today. You can do it if you really try. Romney has been shown by this to be an absolute liar- hypocrite is too nice.

    Or is it that you approve of what he did? For once in your life, post something of substance.
     
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    Apparently Romney can also say his name in French!

    Definitely too smart to be GOP candidate!

     
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    I think it's fascinating how quickly the tiger has turned on Romney's campaign. If it's okay to take quotes out of context than his quote about firing people is a doozy.

    Well, of course, politicians may contradict themselves, but what's interesting is how fast and unapologetic it is. A few weeks ago, debating the merits of Bain Capital was un-American, dangerous and European. Now, the guys who made this argument are trying to hang the problems of private equity firms around Romney's neck.

    It's fascinating to see.

    But, we could just have another kavika411 sponsored discussion about hypocrisy. Again.
     
  18. kavika411, Jan 13, 2012
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    Where? Seriously, where? Every morning, I read the Birmingham News (not the worst, not the best) and the front section of the Wall Street Journal and the front pages of each of the other sections. Starting around 7:15 a.m., I put it on NPR. It goes from Morning Edition, to Diane Rehm (two hours), Hear And Now, Talk of the Nation, and then I turn it off during Marketplace around 6:30 p.m. During the day, when I take breaks at work, I alternate between Drudge, Huffington, and Foxnews.

    Here's my point. I can tell people - a lot of whom post in here - are thrilled about this contradiction. That's great. I get that. But where is this strawman coming from - "un-American, dangerous and European." Who was saying that? Where was this unified-conservative/Republican voice decrying talk of Bain Capital? Seriously. Where? I do a decent job of keeping up with the news.

    It's that kind of over-exageration that turns an otherwise interesting into campaign issue into white noise. It's easier, and more effective to leave it as it is. The first sentence of my post above was serious - Wow, there's a contradiction here. That's great. And then when pushed just a bit, not even directly, we get this rhetoric about how they were putting people to the wall who said anything less than praise about Bain Capital. :rolleyes:

    And I thought you'd forgotten about me. ;)

    Bane Capitol:

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    Thank you. I'll be here all week.
     
  19. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    I see what you did there. :) Mitt Romney and his dog crapping himself on the roof of his car story, according to Fox News. More conservative infighting, pass the popcorn please. When your own side uses the language of your political opponents, you're in trouble.

    Why Romney's 'dog on car roof' story makes him unfit to be president


    Some good people dodged the draft, quite understandable. I'd never criticise Muhammad Ali for not going to Vietnam. But what few people know about Mitt Romney and Vietnam, is that he protested against the anti-war protestors. He was pro-war, protested for the draft and then went to France to stay in a mansion with a chef and a servant.

    Whoops. That's the Daily Telegraph, full metal conservative paper, by the way.


    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you think this is a clever rebuttal, however, this isn't about contradictions or even Obama, but I will come on to that.

    This is conservatives, Republicans, attacking a senior party figure using the language and positions of their political opponents, thereby giving bipartisan cover for the full Democratic campaign to come. After all, if Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry and Bill Kristol are making the same arguments about Mitt Romney as President Obama will be making, what are independents or even conservatives likely to think?

    As far as your specious and false comparison with Obama goes, there are no senior figures in the Democratic party attacking the president using the language and arguments of Republicans, thereby giving credence to conservative accusations. No-one is primarying him from the right or even the left.

    I fully understand your modus operandi is to avoid taking any position at all that could provide a target, but is instead to sardonically cherry-pick people's other people's posts. However, in this instance, your failure to recognise the damage done to conservatism's arguments and how the political conversation has moved to the left, is particularly revealing.

    Still, I'm optimistic that some other conservatives may be able to help out here. Are Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Sarah Palin and Bill Kristol envious of the wealth that Mitt Romney extracted from the husks of all the companies that Bain Capital acquired and ran into the ground? If so, does that place Mitt Romney to the right of Sarah Palin, for instance?

    Could it be that Mitt Romney is not an economic moderate at all? And that his claim to have created 100,000s of jobs is actually false? And that, more importantly, could it be that the United States of America is not a corporation that requires asset stripping and a leveraged buyout beyond what 30 years of conservatism has achieved? In this case, it's not Democrats making this argument, it's Republicans.

    What a terrible candidate for the times.
     
  20. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    Oh, good lord Blue Velvet, get over yourself. Yep, I'd never ever ever step out of line with Republicans/conservatives/neocons.

    You guys can keep making this an us-against-them all you want. When Obama fails to get a second term, you can then sit around and wonder: "Huh, strange that our platform of condescension never took hold."
     
  21. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Thank you for highlighting and proving my point. I genuinely thought that you had more self-awareness than that. I rest my case. :)
     
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    It was easier than you thought, wasn't it? ;)
     
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    One can but hope.

    But the very next day, the cat came back.
     
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    I'm sorry, I still can't ignore the people in that video who were directly affected. Are we calling them liars? The bottom line is that Bain went in and destroyed those companies, and many people's lives. I've seen this happen in my own company.

    They come in, with no idea how the business works, they just count beans. Then they put all these limitations on the company that are impossible. The product suffers, clients leave and they sell it off. I've been through this. I know what the people in that video are talking about. The interest is never in favor of the workers, but the people at the top.

    Here's the key right here, from your own source:

    That's neat, isn't it? They claim they were no longer involved, but won't give a timeline. How convenient.
     

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