Monsanto in trouble with Bayer

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  1. JagdTiger macrumors regular

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    You mean Bayer in trouble with Monsanto.

    This was the most idiotic purchase in the economic history of Germany.
     
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    Maybe Nokia felt lonely.
     
  5. JagdTiger thread starter macrumors regular

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    Miracle Grow has been selling Monsanto’s poison weed chemical a long time and used a extreme toxin at one time in their fertilizer, grass and bird seeds.

    Organic gardening products are better to use than synthetic ones.
     
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    Didn’t read the story and don’t know much about it, but you’ll get a much better discussion if you post from a legitimate news source instead of some sort of weird Christian anti-vaccination site.
     
  7. JagdTiger thread starter macrumors regular

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    That can be a matter of opinion...they certainly are not the mainstream press and Monsanto is a company known to produce and lobby for poisonous substances for crops and lawn care chemicals.
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    Is this fake?

    Gardasil Vaccine on Trial: Attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Exposes Merck Corruption

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2019/ga...robert-f-kennedy-jr-exposes-merck-corruption/
     
  8. RichardMZhlubb Contributor

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    Yes
     
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    I don't like Monsanto, but define 'better'. Organic farms tend to have a mixed ecological and health track record.
     
  10. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    Okay, first of all, the extreme environmentalists have an unhealthy obsession with Monsanto. The amount of hysteria around this company is incredible. And a lot of hysteria is caused by scientific illiteracy and listening to scientifically illiterate people.

    A lot of this hysteria seems to tie Monsanto’s Round Up to Agent Orange, which Monsanto did not invent but was one of many companies that manufacturers (Monsanto not even being the largest producer). Agent Orange was toxic to humans primarily because of unknown dioxins accidentally created during the manufacturing process.

    Monsanto hired a PR firm, which isn’t really surprising considering how much nonsense gets put out about them. Reading *actual* news reports it sounds like the OP’s article is highly speculative and the French government is seeing if there has been any impropriety. That same list his article cites as a blacklist and bribe list could also be a list of people to try and educate or avoid contact with. Monsanto being a giant non-medical corporation, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them “bribing” non-politicians and legally lobbying politicians. Bayer being a drug company probably wants to ensure there is no image of impropriety as that’s a whole different ball game when it comes to pharmaceuticals.

    Organic is a poorly defined term and doesn’t mean pesticides are not used. Organic farms tend to be less productive per acre and many would argue GMO’s are more environmentally friendly. Many would also say GMOs are necessary to sustain the rapidly growing world population, especially when considering risks of various causes of famine.
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    It’s not fake in the sense that RFK JR made a presentation. His argument is absolute nonsense. I watched the first few minutes and noticed he fails to understand the implications of HPV and the Gardasil vaccine. Fun facts: PAP smears don’t prevent cervical cancer. HPV in addition to cervical cancer can cause genital warts, penile cancer, etc. Males also are now encouraged to get the HPV vaccine. Latent HPV is also currently undetectable so you can’t be “tested” for it like other STDs.

    In a meta analysis the NNT of cervical intraepithelial neoplasia (number needed to treat to prevent 1 case) was found to be 100 over 2 years- which all things considered, including the cost of cancer treatment, isn’t bad. RFK JR puts the cost at $420 per person cost, so that means it costs $42,000 to prevent 1 case of CIN... which is a lot lower than the cost to treat CIN and the $18m he cites. The newest Gardasil 9 HPV vaccine has been shown to prevent almost 75% of applicable HPV related cancers and reduce mortality by almost 50%.

    In reading the summary of what he’s arguing, he’s correlating young women’s rise in depression/anxiety to Gardasil, which is nonsense. The increases in depression/anxiety have been seen in populations not vaccinated with Gardasil. This effect has largely been attributed to social and cultural changes over the past couple decades. It’s also worth noting the teenage years is when teens tend to experience anxiety and depression, which is pretty obvious.

    I should also mention RFK JR has a history of being an anti-vaccine proponent, citing completely unfounded and pseudoscientific nonsense like vaccines cause cancer and the MMR vaccine has never been tested for safety.

    The information he is spreading is “fake”, not only unsubstantiated and likely a misinterpretation or information and/or cherry picking outlying studies, but it’s also dangerously misleading. And why anyone would think to listen to the “medical advice” and scientific interpretations of a lawyer over their own trusted healthcare providers and the medical community is absolutely ridiculous.

    If you wish to put your children at risk for various cancers and other diseases cause by HPV by choosing to not vaccinate, that’s your prerogative. But I’d say that’s a pretty poor decision.
     
  11. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    I don't like Bayer nor Monsanto, but the posted article is so full of childish hyperbole that its comically ridiculous and borderline unreadable. The source article is much better.
     

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