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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by zimv20, Apr 5, 2006.
harry shearer column
check out the video.
What's that very last thing that DeLay says? It sounded like "Nothing worse than a woman lawyer"? I played it back three times but it's sort of muffled.
I think this video clip says a lot more about Chris Matthews than it does Tom DeLay. Matthews seems really gleeful about how poorly Mrs. Clinton fared, while DeLay seems politely disinterested.
Yep, sounded like "Nothing worse than a woman lawyer" to me.
As far as Matthews on the Clinton poll numbers is concerned. Many in our party, Matthews and myself included, don't want Clinton as the nominee... and neither do the people that took the poll, apparantly.
I heard "Nothing worse than a woman know it all." When I listened to it.
exactly what I heard.
Very sexist comment. I wonder where the calls are to demand he be brought up on ethics charges?
Maybe it wasn't there before, but there's a transcript right below that shows DeLay said, "Nothing worse than a woman know-it-all."
What an absolute jackass that man is.
Neither do I, but if you believe Matthews is in any way a Dem or even a moderate, I have a bridge to sell you. He has long since become nothing more than another conservative pundit. He has made some comments on other's shows about the administration's mistakes, but on his own show he continues to bash Dems (ultra liberal or not) and defend Reps (ultra conservative or not).
Oh, and I'd say what I really thought of DeLay, but I don't want to get banned.
Media matters isn't the best source for info; it's so far left that they even paint Tim Russert as a conservative Republican (he's a moderate Democrat). Granted, Matthews is a conservative. However, he worked for four Democrats (Carter, Tip O'Neill, Moss, and Munskie) prior to running as a Democrat for the U.S. House of Representatives. The Democratic party is a party of liberals, moderates, and conservatives. Then again, if your basing your info from media matters, good luck on getting the facts.
Here's a conservative watchdog detailing your beloved mediamatters.org Fox News-style fact gathering.
why does that matter? there's a video of matthews and delay. or are you saying that MM faked it?
if the National Enquirer put up a story that american soldiers are being killed in iraq, that doesn't make it untrue.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. Get real, Zimv20, and make an attempt to read what I wrote. Where in the video does Chris Matthews state, "I'm a raging conservative pundit. Oh, I'm also secretly a Republican. That time I ran for Congress as a Democrat? It was a trick. All those years that I worked for Carter and Tip O'Neill? It was a ruse."
My issue wasn't with the video, I don't know whose ass you pulled that from. My issue was with solvs telling this community that Matthews is a conservative Republican when he is clearly not.
wow, take it easy. i was only questioning why it mattered where i found the video. the video speaks for itself.
You're right, Zimv20. I apologize fo my abrasiveness.
*ahem* Leiberman *cough*
Wow, media matters is far left? I think you need to check your definitions of "far left." It may make some sense to call socialists, greens, and a few others "far left" within the context of the US political system, but media matters is as solidly liberal in its mission as you can get. This is mainstream democratic stuff. Mostly media matters performs the mission of calling the right on its lies and the media on their acquiescence to those lies. Mathews consistently is one of the chief offenders (behind only such notables as Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, and O'Reilly) in giving voice to very conservative voices without challenging almost anything they say. If you find media matters is wrong in what they alleged to be lies, I'd be interested to see your proof, but to mischaracterize them as "far left" only shows how far right your own views must be.
Ha! Maybe this is mainstream Democratic stuff in San Francisco, but in the rest of the U.S., this is untrue.
Like Fox News, mediamatters.org has a record of twisting the facts to support their claims (see link above). The Kincaid incident alone lost their credibility for me.
For the record, I'm a moderate Democrat and a member of the DLC. Check the link in my signature.
No, this is mainstream liberalism at its best anywhere in the country. Why? Because the mission of Media Matters is to hold the right-wing blowhards accountable for their lies. Truth matters and attempts to propagandize through outright lies and falsifications, which is exactly what the Republican noise machine has done for at least the last 15 to 20 years, is something liberalism as an ideology has, at its best, always stood against. Why you should have such a reaction to anyone of any political stripe holding the O'Reillys, Hannitys, Limbaughs, etc to account for their outright lies is beyond me. As to the case you cite, you should bother to read Media Matters response to the accusation that they "implied" something that wasn't true.
Here is the link to the original article by Media Matters.
Now as to your DLC politics, I'm very well aware that the DLC is part of the Democratic Party. That does not mean that anyone else within the party who disagrees with the DLC is somehow "far left." In fact it is disturbing to see someone who I would think would have the Democratic Party's interests at heart mimicking the propaganda put out by the RNC. The "far left" tag comes straight from their press releases and is used to label anyone within the Democratic ranks who is critical of the Bush administration. It is an attempt to get the media to accept the idea that the American people are much more conservative than they really are. In fact, poll after poll of the American people shows that on the issues of the day Democratic, liberal Democratic, positions are accepted much more often than those of the GOP. Yet you see fit to cite their sleazy websites and mimic their propaganda. If you represent the DLC views (which I think you don't - or at least other than Sen. Lieberman) then the DLC has very little to say that is different than the Bushies.
It used to be clear. Lately it hasn't. I don't really read the comments on Media Matters, just watch the videos. I used to think the guy was a moderate too, but having listened to him lately giving conservatives a free pass while he grills and insults liberals makes me think maybe he isn't so moderate anymore. I get MM are lefties, definitely slanted, but the videos speak for themselves. Go watch them. He's no Dem. Not anymore. And he's far from moderate these days.
Plus I can't put up a link to something I just saw on TV, so when MM posts it, I link. I just wanted to point out a few reasons why I disagree with your claim.
On mediamatters.org is concerned, we'll have to agree to disagree. As far as your attack on my political beliefs, your temper has blinded you.
No temper, no rant. Deal with my points and prove me wrong.
As far as their critiques on O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh go, I agree with them. The problem with mediamatters.org's Mathews and Russert quotes is that they're cherry-picked to make it seem that they mislead their viewers. I watch Hardball almost everyday, Meet the Press and the Chris Matthews Show each week, and they don't give too many free passes to anyone. He says many a thing that I would disagree with, but it's his right to criticize guests positions or rants that go off-topic from the issue (much like this thread). Maybe we should start our own watchdog group when it comes to Hardball. We can watch next weeks episodes and compare results.
On a final note, Liberal, Democrat, or Moderate views all have validity. Don't cut your nose to spite your face when it comes to politics. I usually vote for the statesman (Obama) over the politician (Clinton) anyways.
P.S. Thanks for being a fair and level-headed debate partner, solvs.
Still waiting, for your fair and level-headed response to my points, OnceUgoMac.
Our positions on mediamatters.org are clear, I see them as a spin machine and you believe that they are an unbiased watchdog, fighting for freedom and justice. Your points are noted, but I don't feel the need in kicking a dead horse nor running around in circles with you.
As far as dealing with your points on my political beliefs, your assumptions and attitude aren't worth dealing with.
My assumptions and attitude? I'm not the one mimicking GOP press releases to slander fellow Democrats as "far left" and out of the mainstream. I'm not the one clearly upset by Media Matters calling out and documenting lies by the Republicans and a quiescent media. I don't show up here providing links to far-right sources and call myself a mainstream Democrat. If you can't provide answers to legitimate questions and justify your points, don't bother to post.
As to the DLC, their membership has included many Democrats I've supported. It also has positions I don't agree with, but are well within the framework of the Democratic Party. However, with the possible exception of Joe Lieberman, I don't see its members pushing the line that much of the Democratic Party is "far left." Can you show me where Vilsack, Warner, or Clinton (Bill or Hillary) support such a charge? I've read things from Al From that make my hair stand on end, but even he doesn't stoop to such tactics. You may well be a member of the DLC, but I don't think you can speak for most its members, and certainly your characterizations of liberal politics as too far left don't speak to the positions of the Democratic Party. Rather they speak to the position of a Democrat who has adopted the politics of the Republican Party. Kinda like Chris Matthews.