More Muslim hysteria on Fox News

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    Fox News host Lauren Green attempts to grill Reza Aslan for his book, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth. Aslan is a religious scholar who researches and writes about all religions but is a Muslim in his personal life.

    Instead of strictly talking about "Zealot", Green cannot help but gravitate around Aslan's credentials due to the fact that he is a Muslim and wrote a book about Jesus Christ. For every Muslim-related question Green asks, Aslan has an educated response that is ignored by Green who is focused on ginning up more of the pro-Christian/anti-Muslim hysteria often seen on Fox News.


     
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    Considering Jesus is regarded as the last prophet of god, chosen by Allah to spread his message...kinda odd for a Muslim to write a book named "Zealot" about Jesus...

    Unless the intent was to incite
     
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    From what I can gather, the title isn't referring to zealots in the modern sense, but rather the original Zealots... aka Jewish nationalists.
     
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    Why is it "odd?"
     
  5. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Four degrees (IIRC), yet not smart enough to understand that it's a waste of his time to interview on FAUX News.
     
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    Or he just subscribes to the old saying, "any publicity is good publicity".
     
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    A hopeless optimist?*

    It's possible.





    *Hopeless optimist. Nice little contradiction.
     
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    As Slate pointed out, it looks like Aslan came ready for an aggressive argument and he gained some publicity and sold a great many books.
     
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    What a bizarre thing to say.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot


    I haven't read Reza Aslan's book, and, obviously, neither had Lauren Green. She was obviously struggling to get through her simpleminded, ill-informed script. I wonder what they (producer, Lauren Green) thought was going to happen? Strange.
     
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    I could be wrong, but didn't Mohammed come after Jesus?

    Edit: I looked it up and it appears that Muslims hold Jesus as the last prophet sent by god to the Jews. Not the last prophet at all.
     
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    I can live with that answer, and it certainly may make sense with the benefit of actually reading the book.

    However, it would be somewhat obnoxious and inciting to write a book about Jesus called "Queer" but in the 16th century sense, not the modern usage. It would essentially be literary Trolling.

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    Sorry that was an incomplete and misstated reference.

    The correct term is "Seal of the Israelite Prophets", or essentially the last Israelite prophet.
     
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    Hmmm ... get publicity, sell more books, and yet again expose FAUX News as a shameless propaganda tool for the right.

    Well done professor.

    Well done indeed.
     
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    I keep forgetting that people actually still believe in prophets. :p

    22nd century soon please.
     
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    While I agree that it is absolutely pointless to get into arguments against the ideologues on Faux Noise, I'll have to agree with APlotdevice on this one.

    Just look at the New York Times Best Seller list for Zealot:

    No. 1 E-Book Nonfiction

    No. 2 Combined E-Book and Printed Nonfiction

    No. 4 Hardcover Nonfiction
     
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    19th century sense, I would say. But, I don't suppose they teach this one in school any more, do they?

    "All the world [old] is queer save thee and me, and even thou art a little queer." (Robert Owen)

    It is either offensive, or, as inscrutable as ancient Greek I guess.

    BTW, interesting person, Robert Owen:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Owen
     
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    I disagree. The term isn't just in there for kicks, but is part of Aslan's overall thesis about Jesus and the reason he was crucified. Remember that crucifixion was reserved for political prisoners and the two "thieves" executed with him were actually "bandits" or in a more modern usage, insurgents.

    Certainly, Aslan could have chosen a title less likely to stir controversy, but it's interesting how the conversation about the book resides on Aslan's apparent faith and the title of the book, rather than the substance of the book's arguments.
     
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    Exactly. She was unleashing all the talking-points on him which he had an answer for at every turn. My favorite part is when he tells Lauren Green the FACT that he discloses that he is a Muslim on page 2 of his book and points out the obvious fact that she didn't read a single page of the book.

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    Obscure religious history, what are you talking about? There's a 2,000 year old book that details the history of the religion that came from the very mouth of God that was written down by old men with gray beards.
     
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    Let me re-phrase that. What would have been an obscure book of hairsplitting scholarship on points that have been hashed over for centuries, but, through the beneficence of Fox News, has become a literary blockbuster.

    I suppose a similar situation was the should-have-been-obscure, once famous, now obscure book by Herrnstein and Murray on IQ -- The Bell Curve. The controversy sold a huge number of copies of an 845 page book that at best, without the controversy, would have been mildly interesting to specialists.

    I'm sure Aslan's book is packed with notes and references that specialists will find helpful, but, really, how many people are able and willing to digest this kind of critical work?
     
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    Not sure where you get that - crucifixion was generally just reserved by Romans for non-Romans.

    "The punishment of Roman crucifixion was chiefly inflicted on slaves and the worst kind of criminals. Crucifixion was considered a most shameful and disgraceful way to die and condemned Roman citizens were usually exempt from crucifixion. "

    "Although the Romans did not invent crucifixion, they perfected it as a form of torture and capital punishment that was designed to produce a slow death with maximum pain and suffering. It was one of the most disgraceful and cruel methods of execution and usually was reserved only for slaves, foreigners, revolutionaries, and the vilest of criminals. Roman law usually protected Roman citizens from crucifixion, except perhaps in the case of desertion by soldiers."
     
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    Reza Aslan actually said that (the part you quoted from the other poster about Jesus and the two bandits) in the interview.
     
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    Thanks - I'll probably join the "most likely won't read" group :D.
     
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    I like Andrew Sullivan's take on it. Click through, it's worth the read.

    http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013...campaign=Feed:+andrewsullivan/rApM+(The+Dish)
     
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    What a slippery slope for discussion on a Muslim writing about Christianity. I strongly suggest people learn more about Islam and the Qur'an as well as Mohammad's exploits and post rationalizations for massive bloodshed and over time how the Qur'an singles out Christians and Jews by name and how to treat them. Given this, I find it interesting that a Muslim would, even with a vast education, be trustworthy to write such a book when his own faith dictates some actions that many here would find offensive including lying, disinformation, misinformation to the non-believer if it gives Islam or the particular Muslim an advantage. I have no interest in reading his book and you may call me prejudice but there are other sources that would not be as suspect and I don't care to research every statement made in Aslan's book to see if there is accuracy.

    As many know, Islam came a bit of time after Christianity and the European influence. Much of the Islamic views of mother of Jesus, Mary reflects some of the re-interpretation or representation based on a combination of local beliefs and Euro-influenced portrayal - (The Church and Catholicism).

    Again - best to learn about Islam first then comment on Aslan's motivations and ability to remain neutral (or not).

    Just another peanut tossed from the gallery.
     
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    Are you suggesting that a religion can only be studied by those who hold to that specific faith, otherwise you wouldn't trust or be interested in their writings?
     

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