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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by obeygiant, Sep 3, 2007.
Sweden is tops. Impressive.
I'm surprised you posted this, given how far down the list we are. Canada even beat us, not to mention a lot of Europe. Oh no! The socialists beat us! But wait- How can they be included on this list? They're socialists! I demand a recount!
Take Bush out of the equation and we might score better.
It's not surprising that Scandinavia and Switzerland are at the top of the list. They are definitely the purest democracies around.
It's also not surprising that those rich in oil are some of the least democratic. The only exception being Norway.
When it comes to Muslim dominated countries democracy makes a very poor showing. The more I read about Islam and its roots, the more I'm convinced that until tribalism comes to an end, almost impossible given that it's the basis of most Muslim countries, there's little hope of a democratic and civil society.
I'm astounded that the UK's political involvement is so poor! Even the apathetic Americans are more involved than the UK is.
Germany and Austria both have laws that can send you to jail for 5 years for denying the holocaust, waving a swastika, or doing a Nazi salute.
And they're both ranked higher than the USA. I'm glad this chart took freedom of speech into account. Wait, does that count as civil liberty?
The US will send you to prison indefinitely without charging you because the government thinks you might be a terrorist because they heard something when they had illegally tapped your phone.
Germany/Austria > USA
Anyway, I've wanted to move to Sweden for years. The country that is consistently near the top of lists when it comes to quality of life, least amount of religious people, and the most democratic.
In fact, turns out the only countries I'm looking to move to after college are all in the top 9.
Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, and Canada.
That's right, they do. And we're still ranked below them. That makes me sad.
So my country (India) is a "flawed democracy". But hey, we came very close to Italy, and beat other European Union nations like Cyprus, Hungary and Lithuania.
laws implemented in 1946/1947 where austria was still occupied by Soviet Union, US, UK and France forces who also happen to come up with such laws
(there where no official elections in the US,UK and French controlled regions untill 1955, in the soviet controlled region the first elections where in december 1945)
facism isn't an opinion
Not that surprising to those of us that live here. The opposition Conservative Party have been totally unelectable for the past 10 years. As a result even low turnout elections are resulting in landslide victories for Labour, who people only vote for because they're the least rubbish.
Chuck in the Blair effect, which gave a veneer of sleaze to Labour after Major's Tories had been so covered in it, and the inertia of the current government to resolve serious constitutional issues such as an elected House of Lords and the West Lothian question simply because the current arrangements benefits their party, and you get where we are now.
Considering the metrics used to determine the ranking, I seriously doubt it.
How do you figure? Especially given the damage to civil liberties during the Bush regime.
Are you talking about the 650 people at Gitmo?
Sure- but not only them. We've gone down the list before, does it have to be spelled out for you again?
So obeygiant is actually complaining that the Americans wrote those laws? I guess freedom of speech can only be dictated by American occupiers then and when it no longer serves their political purposes, is to be denounced as signs of fascism.
That's only one of the five metrics. How do you explain the others?
You're kidding, right? I just picked that one because it was the worst...
The metrics aren't isolated, I'm sure there are complicated interactions between them that you should be well aware of.
For instance, restrictions of civil liberties and disillusionment with the functioning of government both negatively effect the political participation metric.
No, I think that political participation and the functioning of government are the "worst"...
It's actually 60 metrics, most of which aren't included in the above table.
Well, they're all not so good at the moment.
Hard to imagine Canada ranking so high,we don't even vote for our PM we vote party and the party decides who the PM will be,and the party can hold elections when they want,aka when polls tell them they will win..Our last Prime Minister Paul Martin,wasn't even voted in,he basically made Jean Chretien leave and just took over.
nvm I just realized Economist is based in England,another Parliamentary Government.
I don't think that has much to do with it; seeing as the UK ranked in at 23, well below Canada.
Funny, I would have thought Switzerland, a direct democracy, would have ranked higher than the others, e.g. Sweden (constitutional monarchy).