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Motorola 7457 Upgrades

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Geek.com posts rumors from a source "in the know" on Apple's 2003 chip plans:

According to the source, the next revision of the Motorola G4+ PowerPC, the 7457, will top out at 1.33 or 1.4GHz (1.0GHz, 1.17GHz, 1.33GHz, 1.40GHz?) in February 2003, and will stick there until July 2003, when another 7457 revision should arrive, promising to push the chip up to a more respectable 1.83GHz (1.50GHz, 1.67GHz, 1.83GHz).

This information echoes some of the information from this anonymous source -- which also pegs the 970's successor to be due in Q3 2004.

The only contradictory information we have is that Dual 1.5GHz PowerMacs have existed within Apple for some time now... but this does not give any indication to Motorola's ability to produce these in volume.
 

mymemory

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Do you know what would be really bad?

To have the money and not able to get a real 2Ghz Mac yet.

I mean, I do not have the money to even afford a airport card, so, at this time I do not care much about the speed. What I hope is when I have the money Apple have the speed that I want. That would be good.
 
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clubsport

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So in July, we will have 1.8Ghz Macs. The only problem is that top-end PCs will be running at speeds of around 5Ghz by then.

Geez Apple, can't you address the problem by dumping Motorola? IBM have stuff way better than this...
 
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vniow

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I accidentally my whole location.
let's just see what the bs meter has to say about that

Originally posted by clubsport
The only problem is that top-end PCs will be running at speeds of around 5Ghz by then.
 
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funkywhat2

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Re: let's just see what the bs meter has to say about that

Originally posted by edvniow


Oh yeah!

Ever notice how every time that there is a planned update, the time for Intel to have faster processors gets smaller. For example, when the 970 was announced to be coming in at 1.8 GHz around August, there would be 4GHz Intel chips. Now, in July, there will be 5GHz chips. At this rate, we will have faster chips before we have them. (I hope that makes sense)
 
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Tiauguinho

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Only now is Motorola woried about delivering the goods? WOW! The PPC 970 really did scared them! Way to go IBM! Big Blue will be kicking everybody in the ass with this chip!
 
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edesignuk

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Originally posted by clubsport
The only problem is that top-end PCs will be running at speeds of around 5Ghz by then.
Intel are gonna increase by 2Ghz in the next 6 months????? I don't think so!

(I believe intels 'fastest' CPU currently is the 3.06Ghz P4)
 
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funkywhat2

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It nice to see Motorola has finally figured out that not everyone on Earth needs a cell phone (cancer-brick).
 
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theranch

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getting tired...

The rumors of these speed bumps and even the facts of the IBM chips don't help most professionals out right now. I'm going to be in the market for a new machine in about 3 months and with the prices and speed of what the pc market is putting out these days it looks like my pro machine will be a Dell or something similar. I love the OS and ease of use of Macs but at a pro level there isn't much to learn in switching to a pc.
I need to get work done and not have to wait while a beachball spins.
Apple should address the pro market seriously soon...(and I've read this same sentiment on this site over and over). I'm hoping that they surprise us BIG TIME this year...please.
 
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Phechs

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Motorola Worries

I know I am not alone on this, but its frustrating that the most conducive OS for me to use is OSX, yet, I have to take the music as well as all the video and 3D work I do to a friends house to render on his WinDOZE box to render because its, yes, 4 times faster. Please apple I need some serious power, and with network rendering for video and 3D, and VST system link for the audio, I am not finding many reasons to buy anything but a PC for my next computer. Damn, it just hurts that Motorola is harming apple to such degree. I am a Mac zealot, but its getting really hard to defend a company that is so complacent........

APPLE IF YOU ARE LISTENING, SCARE MOTORLOA!!!!! frighten them into getting off their @$$es please......pleeeeaaassseee.
 
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Catfish_Man

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Well...

...afaict, they're just posting info off the moto roadmap that was leaked a little while ago, and guessing as to a few clock speeds (the roadmap wasn't quite so precise). The 7457 also has 512k L2 cache and a 200MHz bus.
 
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ktlx

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Originally posted by clubsport
So in July, we will have 1.8Ghz Macs. The only problem is that top-end PCs will be running at speeds of around 5Ghz by then.

It will not be that bad. Intel has said that they plan to take the current Pentium 4 incarnation to 3.6Ghz early next year. They will not go above 3.6Ghz until they switch to the Prescott core which uses the 90 nm process. That part will arrive around 3.6Ghz and be able to scale to over 5Ghz. But I doubt we will see 4Ghz or above until late 2003 or early 2004. The economy is just not strong enough for Intel to move faster.
 
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Foucault

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Where's the G5

What is the deal with these tiny upgrades for the G4 processor. The G4 is almost three years old, where the hell is the G5. Apple and Motorola needs to get their act together!!
 
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ktlx

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Re: getting tired...

Originally posted by theranch
The rumors of these speed bumps and even the facts of the IBM chips don't help most professionals out right now. I'm going to be in the market for a new machine in about 3 months and with the prices and speed of what the pc market is putting out these days it looks like my pro machine will be a Dell or something similar. I love the OS and ease of use of Macs but at a pro level there isn't much to learn in switching to a pc.

I hear you. I bought a dual 1Ghz PowerMac with the mirror drive doors. I love Mac OS X compared to Windows XP but the machine was just so loud and so underpowered it was terrible. I finally sold it and built a 2.5Ghz Pentium 4. I am very experienced so switching is not that big of a deal and I saved a ton of money.

The only heavy duty work I do is with Photoshop and I don't know how Apple runs its "benchmarks". I have a 2.5Ghz Pentium 4 with PC2700 DDR and there wasn't anything the dual 1Ghz PowerMac G4 could do faster. Plus my PC is much quieter than the PowerMac MDD model.

Apple right now is pretty sad. They have, in my opinion, the best desktop software available running on way overpriced hardware. I hope they fix that situation sometime this year.
 
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MrMacMan

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Originally posted by edesignuk

Intel are gonna increase by 2Ghz in the next 6 months????? I don't think so!

(I believe intels 'fastest' CPU currently is the 3.06Ghz P4)
Intel's LAB's have 3.6 one running all the time... :rolleyes:
(Not to mention Tom's Hardware's 'Uber-Óverclock 2003' 4.1 GHZ!!!' )

But that 5GHZ is total BS.

If this rumor is true it is definatly good news. I mean getting a good deal of clock speed fast is what we need intill the 'next-gen' chips arive.
Maybe we can survive this after all. :D
 
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bousozoku

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If Moto get their new manufacturing process working correctly, this could all be a reality. As it stands, I want to believe, but I have little faith in them, especially with the budget cuts.
 
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mchendricks

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I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I think Motorola needs to finally give us the chips that do it all. I'm tired of "new" G4 chips that aren't any better then the previous chips. Why can't we have:

1) a chip with lots of clock speed - I know it isn't the most important factor, but most consumers think it is #1.

2) a chip with maxed out cache on all levels - the newest 1GHz DDR is hampered by only having 1/2 the cache (L3) of the previous model. I know that power (read heat) is a concern, but that can't be the limiting factor.

It seems like everytime an improvement is made, the last improvement is crippled - faster chip ->less cache->little real world improvement over last model. The only things that really help are the updates to the OS.
I know that all of the problems aren't totally the fault of any one company, but each is to blame for the lackluster performance of the pro line (Moto - SPEED, Apple - faster bus speeds, blue-tooth, USB2, etc)

I've been loyal for years and I don't mind paying a premium for the COMPLETE mac experience, but if we are going to have the best OS, why can't the powers that be realize that we also want the best hardware. Apple had been on the forefront of the personal computer evolution, why can't they be again?
 
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TMJ1974

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and I thought AMD was bad......

OK, I have stayed out of the processor debates on this board, BUT, what is the problem ?

AMD has struggled to push the Athlon XP (a wonderful processor) to compete with the Pentium 4. While AMD might not reach the clock speed of Pentium, they have always stayed "just" within benchmark reach. They actually led for the longest time.

The cell phone radiation must be having an impact on Motorola's thinking. You're not making money....ok, fair enough. But, you won't make any by allowing the processor's you make to become obsolete. You have to invest money to make money....have they ever heard of that?

If this is true, 150Mhz increase will hardly enough to encourage someone to spend $3000 The rule of thumb in the PC world is that any speed bump under 200Mhz is not noticeable.

Where is 266Mhz + FSB ?

I can only hope Apple is going to leave Motorola to deal with iMac/eMac, and let IBM handel iBook/PowerBook/PowerMac/XServe.

Tim
 
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