Move over IA, MS, SC & SD, Tennessee is in the house

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  1. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    I'm surprised, Alabama usually isn't this far behind the backwards states. :rolleyes:

    Tennessee bill would jail Shariah followers

     
  2. yg17 macrumors G5

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    What the....? I don't get the point of this.

    If (just making up examples for the sake of argument) Sharia law says that you should kill an adulterer, and you do, you'll end up being prosecuted for murder no matter what. If Sharia law says that you have to fast during Ramadan, and you do, then you're following Sharia law and subject to prosecution?

    How is that not a violation of the first amendment?
     
  3. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    They really only care about the 2nd in the south.
     
  4. mscriv macrumors 601

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    Granted I haven't done extensive research on the bill that was introduced, but I would guess that the goal is to simply emphasize that Sharia law will not be tolerated or considered a valid defense when someone chooses to break the law for "religious reasons". Here's a pretty good article that better explains Sharia law.

    Full Article

    I would seriously doubt that the moral aspects of Sharia law that do not break national or state law would be of issue. For example, dietary laws, etc.. If you want to follow a specific moral code for your own behavior then have at it, but when that crosses into you violating someone else's rights then a boundary must be drawn. Things like honor killings, mutilation, eye for an eye justice, and gender based civil inequality can not be tolerated.
     
  5. MacVixen macrumors 6502

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    Those things would not be tolerated under existing US laws and regulations. Why does TN need another law specifically targeting Sharia?
     
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    If it was just banning Sharia law as a defense it is one thing but I would have to know if any court cases were ruled in favor of the defended that they used Sharia law as their defense first. Other wise I see this as nothing more than Political BS
     
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    There are Shari'a courts in the UK, but they only deal with civil contracts, marriage and divorce. No amputations required there. There are also Battei (Beth) Din in the UK, and, presumably, in the US. Should they be banned, too?
     
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    Again, I haven't read the details of the specific bill in question and I agree with your statement. My point in contributing to the discussion was not to defend the bill, but to provide additional information to illustrate that such issues are not always a case of black and white religious discrimination.

    Cultural differences can get challenging when it comes to legalities. Take civil laws in relation to marriage as an example. Our local government can only uphold the existing law when they have knowledge that it has been violated. If the offended party does not involve the local authorities because they are oppressed, being threatened, or feel they do not have any rights based on their cultural law then there is a barrier to the existing regulations protecting them.
     
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    This is really dumb. Why don't they just punish the actions with existing laws (ie. if you lash someone under Sharia Law, you face the charge for battery)?
     
  10. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    Because here in America, we don't bother with enforcing the existing laws, we just keep coming up with new ones.
     
  11. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    How does having a Shari'a court work? Is the judge bound by those laws for civil matters, and is he sworn to uphold it?

    Is there an analogous court for Christians, Jews, or atheists?

    How do the parties determine if they want to be in Shari'a court? What if one party wants to be in, but the other doesn't? Is there any mitigation of the heavy misogyny that is in Shari'a law?

    Or is Shari'a law used in non-binding private arbitration as a type of ADR?
     
  12. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    I see nothing wrong with this law. Although it may be somewhat pointless, it's just proving a point, whatever.
     
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    If it is pointless, it is self-evidently not proving a point.
     
  14. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    They're just trying to say that sharia law will never be tolerated here, so don't even bother trying to use it as a defense in court when you kill your daughter for marrying an infidel.
     
  15. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    How does this relate to praying or washing feet? Isn't that a direct assault on the 1st Amendment?
     
  16. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    That's not really sharia law, that's a religious thing which obviously won't be banned. That would be unconstitutional. They just don't want people citing sharia law in court, they can simply just say "sharia law is a felony here, what's your next defense?"
     
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    Has there been a single case of anyone successfully using Sharia law as a defense in court?
     
  18. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    But the legislation includes prohibitions on those activities. I think it indicates racism as opposed to a genuine desire to avoid creating an affirmative defense.

    If it was really about what law is upheld in court, there is really no debate at all. Even Christian justifications for crimes are not adequate defenses.

    I think we've just moved on from the gays to the Muslims as our next social pariah.
     
  19. MacVixen macrumors 6502

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    *Just* moved on? I'd say the Muslims have been considered social pariahs ever since a certain date in US History occurred...
     
  20. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    Oh I agree, I just meant that the public seems to be accepting the gays now and the vitriol against the LGBT community has declined considerably lately, while intensifying for Muslims.
     
  21. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    Gay Muslims, though, still not doing so hot.
     
  22. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    No, I suppose they're not. Imagine being at that family reunion.
     
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    Spoken like someone from Lawn Guy Land. :rolleyes:
     

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