Moving from fast (70mb) to slow (2mb) broadband with Apple TV 3

zen

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So, we are moving house to an area with slow (2mbps) internet. We use the Apple TV quite a lot, as with our current 70mbps broadband we never get any buffering.

So with slow internet, how does the Apple TV 3 fair? I know it has an 8GB buffer rather than internal storage, so if we say wanted to rent an HD movie, would it be a question of setting it to "play", then pausing and waiting for a few hours for it to download? There is no "download" option, is there? As in, everything is streamed, so with slow internet you have to use that buffer and be prepared to wait? (which, effectively, ties up the Apple TV, as you can't do anything else with it unless you want to interrupt the buffer and start it all over again).

Have I got that right?
 

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So, we are moving house to an area with slow (2mbps) internet. We use the Apple TV quite a lot, as with our current 70mbps broadband we never get any buffering.

So with slow internet, how does the Apple TV 3 fair? I know it has an 8GB buffer rather than internal storage, so if we say wanted to rent an HD movie, would it be a question of setting it to "play", then pausing and waiting for a few hours for it to download? There is no "download" option, is there? As in, everything is streamed, so with slow internet you have to use that buffer and be prepared to wait? (which, effectively, ties up the Apple TV, as you can't do anything else with it unless you want to interrupt the buffer and start it all over again).

Have I got that right?

You can download a rental to itunes and then stream to Apple TV.

2MB?!?? Wow......
 

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You can download a rental to itunes and then stream to Apple TV.

2MB?!?? Wow......
2 megabit... Whatever the correct abbreviation is :p

Do rentals show up in my computer's movies on the Apple TV? Suppose I could test it before we pack everything up...
 

2010mini

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2 megabit... Whatever the correct abbreviation is :p

Do rentals show up in my computer's movies on the Apple TV? Suppose I could test it before we pack everything up...
Yes it will show up in itunes
 

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2 megabit... Whatever the correct abbreviation is :p

Do rentals show up in my computer's movies on the Apple TV? Suppose I could test it before we pack everything up...
Mbit is a common abbreviation.
 

westrock2000

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Looking at a video I just bought from iTunes it lists the bitrates as about 4.5Mb/s for a 720p movie. So if that's true, you would have to buffer for about 60% of the actual length of the movie to be able to start watching it and have no stopping for buffering. But you can also just download and watch later.

Music, you will be able to stream that just fine.

Where you might notice it more is going to be something like Netflix where you will probably be limited to "DVD quality" of 720x480p.
 

QWERTYMac7

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I have 1.5 Mb and it takes five hours to download a 720p movie.

We have no issues with iTunes Radio and we do not Netflix...

IMHO it's better to rent a movie with iTunes rather than on the AppleTV - it plays better.

Good luck!

BTW - someone asked the OP where he was moving to...I've no idea, but I live 90 miles North of Yellowstone National Park in case you are wondering.
 

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I live back in the woods where my only option is Verizon DSL. Just clocked it at 1.8mb/s the other day. :( It's a trade-off I am happy to make to live in a secluded natural location... if network speed were my main priority I would move to the city. Neighbor says that Verizon is bringing FIOS soon, but I am skeptical that they will run it to my house which is about 1000 feet from the road.

I don't even try to use netflix or other streaming on my Apple TV. Have watched Bloomberg and some of the other channels a few times, and they worked better than I expected but they can stall at times.

I have concentrated on building up my iTunes library instead, have been ripping my large DVD collection and downloading things. Currently have almost 500 movies and 400 TV shows on a Mac Mini that I use as an iTunes server. I settle for SD quality when I download movies on iTunes. It takes 2.5 to 3 hours typically.
 

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I live back in the woods where my only option is Verizon DSL. Just clocked it at 1.8mb/s the other day. :( It's a trade-off I am happy to make to live in a secluded natural location... if network speed were my main priority I would move to the city. Neighbor says that Verizon is bringing FIOS soon, but I am skeptical that they will run it to my house which is about 1000 feet from the road.

I don't even try to use netflix or other streaming on my Apple TV. Have watched Bloomberg and some of the other channels a few times, and they worked better than I expected but they can stall at times.

I have concentrated on building up my iTunes library instead, have been ripping my large DVD collection and downloading things. Currently have almost 500 movies and 400 TV shows on a Mac Mini that I use as an iTunes server. I settle for SD quality when I download movies on iTunes. It takes 2.5 to 3 hours typically.
If verizon can run a phone line to your home, then they can just as easily run the fibre cable also. Did you ever consider using LTE?
 

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If verizon can run a phone line to your home, then they can just as easily run the fibre cable also. Did you ever consider using LTE?
Home is about 20 years old, electric and phone lines are buried (somewhere). I have no road frontage, property is landlocked and my driveway is a private right-of-way. We will see what happens if they bring FIOS, but they actually contacted my neighbor whose house is on the road and signed him up. They didn't bother contacting me. ;)

LTE would be nice but I can barely get a cell signal at all here on my iPhone 5s. I use an AT&T MicroCell that routes calls over my DSL connection. Anyway, I think there are some limits on LTE usage, aren't there? It is definitely faster than my DSL connection though. :)
 

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Home is about 20 years old, electric and phone lines are buried (somewhere). I have no road frontage, property is landlocked and my driveway is a private right-of-way. We will see what happens if they bring FIOS, but they actually contacted my neighbor whose house is on the road and signed him up. They didn't bother contacting me. ;)

LTE would be nice but I can barely get a cell signal at all here on my iPhone 5s. I use an AT&T MicroCell that routes calls over my DSL connection. Anyway, I think there are some limits on LTE usage, aren't there? It is definitely faster than my DSL connection though. :)
I'm sure if you contact them to inquire they can send someone out to you. LTE limits? Only if you have a data cap. There is also satellite broadband which is faster than 2MB. Don't know how affordable it is though.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/homefusion/hf/main.do?&zipRdr=y
 
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There is also satellite broadband which is faster than 2MB. Don't know how affordable it is though.
I had HughesNet satellite here before DSL was available. It was around 2.5mb/s, but the latency was terrible. I would never go with satellite again.

Funny how you seem to want to "sell" me a faster internet connection… you know, there are actually better ways to spend your time. :) I would like something faster if it's available and affordable, but it isn't a big deal. I used to spend hours every day watching cable TV. Haven't done that since 2006 now and I don't miss it.
 

2010mini

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I had HughesNet satellite here before DSL was available. It was around 2.5mb/s, but the latency was terrible. I would never go with satellite again.

Funny how you seem to want to "sell" me a faster internet connection… you know, there are actually better ways to spend your time. :) I would like something faster if it's available and affordable, but it isn't a big deal. I used to spend hours every day watching cable TV. Haven't done that since 2006 now and I don't miss it.
Hahaha,

Good for you. When I emigrated here, I went from 2 tv stations to hundreds. I don't miss the 2. :p
 

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We are moving from one small village in Cheshire, UK (with fibre broadband) to another small village in Cheshire, UK (with old-fashioned broadband). The local exchange is apparently upgraded for fibre, so it's just a case of waiting for our local box to be done. Hopefully it won't be too long. Until then, it'll be rentals via computer!
 

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We are moving from one small village in Cheshire, UK (with fibre broadband) to another small village in Cheshire, UK (with old-fashioned broadband). The local exchange is apparently upgraded for fibre, so it's just a case of waiting for our local box to be done. Hopefully it won't be too long. Until then, it'll be rentals via computer!
Out of curiosity are you now on DSL (you call "old fashioned broadband") to only get 2mbps download? Hope they get the fiber working soon for you (back to 70mbps?).
 

zen

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Out of curiosity are you now on DSL (you call "old fashioned broadband") to only get 2mbps download? Hope they get the fiber working soon for you (back to 70mbps?).
I think it is DSL - we don't move until next Friday. We were on DSL at the current address for about 2 years, then they upgraded the area to fibre and we had that another 2 years. And now we have to move, dammit!
 

Julien

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I think it is DSL - we don't move until next Friday. We were on DSL at the current address for about 2 years, then they upgraded the area to fibre and we had that another 2 years. And now we have to move, dammit!
I can empathize. I have 50mbps and my dad has DSL that averages 1mbps to 2mbps. It is so painful when I visit him.

Hopefully you are closer to the switching base (DSLAM). With DSL it's all about how far away you are. If you are close you may get 4mbps to 8mbps. Good luck.
 

betman

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If you take your laptop with you to work or other places then you can download films there in the background via wifi.

I previously lived in a building that wasn't well-connected so I would decide on which films to watch at home but then do the actual download elsewhere. Now I'm on a 500mbps plan (almost went for the 1000mbps one) so everything can be done at home...
 

HarryWarden

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This thread reminds me of how comparably paltry my current 4.5 MB/S plan is. Good news is that my provider is currently upgrading to fiber that will supposedly offer speeds up to 1 TB/Sec. Cannot wait for that to happen.