MP 1,1-5,1 MP5,1: What you have to do to upgrade to Mojave (BootROM upgrade instructions thread)

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Thanks for this, I knew the option to format APFS encrypted was there, and I suspected it could be used in this manner, but since I have no need for this, I didn’t investigate.

Bravo! for your work, I’m sure this will help many users who can now move to put their concerns to rest.
Thank you Sir. Took me a couple of days to figure it out and perseverance always pays off!

@tsialex Do you mind if I add a link to my mini FV guide on the first post?

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I'm starting to get really worried that nvidia has release drivers for mojave yet. Anyone else feels the same way? Are they going to drop mojave support?
 

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Mojave only will install if...
The three cards listed in bold above have Mac EFI.
The list also identifies cards that might be compatible, none of which have Mac EFI:

  • AMD Radeon Pro WX 9100
  • AMD Radeon Frontier Edition
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So I have a question. My Radeon 9100 pro is arriving today. And while I realize it works with Mojave, does it work with High Sierra? Meaning, how do I upgrade my mac if is in High Sierra, and I have to plug in the 9100 and if High Sierra doesnt support the 9100... But if I boot the machine with my old apple card, it wont let the installer run.

It's a catch 22 then?

Is the solution to somehow move the driver from mojave into high sierra first?
 

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So I have a question. My Radeon 9100 pro is arriving today. And while I realize it works with Mojave, does it work with High Sierra? Meaning, how do I upgrade my mac if is in High Sierra, and I have to plug in the 9100 and if High Sierra doesnt support the 9100... But if I boot the machine with my old apple card, it wont let the installer run.

It's a catch 22 then?

Is the solution to somehow move the driver from mojave into high sierra first?
AFAIK, works even with 10.12.6.
 
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Nice and thank you so much!

I think I need to get one 8 to 6 pin converter for the 9100. I think it, oddly (to me), comes with one 6 pin and one 8 pin power plug, which is just weird.
No, it’s relatively common and you have to read the manual, maybe it’s one of the cards that needs dual-mini PCIe 6-pin to PCIe 8-pin or just two mini PCIe 6-pin to PCIe 6-pin.
 

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No, it’s relatively common and you have to read the manual, maybe it’s one of the cards that needs dual-mini PCIe 6-pin to PCIe 8-pin or just two mini PCIe 6-pin to PCIe 6-pin.
Ug, realizing after just reading about it (nothing in the manual about it), that it probably does. What a nightmare. So I can't just use the 2 cables to power this monstrosity, I'll need to drag something from the CD rom bay, unplug my 2nd DVD, cobble probably 2 different power sources into a single 8 pin, all on the hope this disaster works.

Just so tired of dealing with this thing. Tired apple doesn't give a damn about the mac. Tired their 'enlightened' piece of garbage EFI does nothing but make life more miserable for enthusiast/pro users. Tired of their software going to garage quality. Tired of their lack of attention to detail. At this point I feel like a Stockholm victim zombie in their original 1984 commercials. All with propaganda of thinking different adding insult to injury in at least the other vendors, who are all even worse, dont bother to blow smoke up my posterior and just act like the scum they are, rather than trying to make me believe in something that 'just works' which is a distant memory.

Anyway, thanks so much. If there were any justice, apple would pay you a fortune for supplying boatloads of support that they no longer care to provide, and frankly probably are incapable of supplying. Or at the very least, youre due a virtual forum parade.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Just so damn tired tired tired, goddam it, I'm tired of this mess.
 

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Ug, realizing after just reading about it (nothing in the manual about it), that it probably does. What a nightmare. So I can't just use the 2 cables to power this monstrosity, I'll need to drag something from the CD rom bay, unplug my 2nd DVD, cobble probably 2 different power sources into a single 8 pin, all on the hope this disaster works.

Just so tired of dealing with this thing. Tired apple doesn't give a damn about the mac. Tired their 'enlightened' piece of garbage EFI does nothing but make life more miserable for enthusiast/pro users. Tired of their software going to garage quality. Tired of their lack of attention to detail. At this point I feel like a Stockholm victim zombie in their original 1984 commercials. All with propaganda of thinking different adding insult to injury in at least the other vendors, who are all even worse, dont bother to blow smoke up my posterior and just act like the scum they are, rather than trying to make me believe in something that 'just works' which is a distant memory.

Anyway, thanks so much. If there were any justice, apple would pay you a fortune for supplying boatloads of support that they no longer care to provide, and frankly probably are incapable of supplying. Or at the very least, youre due a virtual forum parade.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Just so damn tired tired tired, goddam it, I'm tired of this mess.
I don’t know how your GPU is electrically connected, but usually or you use two PCIe 6-pin or the 8-pin, rarely both at the same time. You have to check.

About your rant, I know that Apple has a lot wrongdoings with Pro Macs, but none is related with your GPU power requirements. 2009 designers never imagined that in 2018 we will gonna need more than 225W with a GPU or how electrically is connected.
 

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The 9100 has a 6pin and an 8pin connector. One each. So does that mean it might power off just the single 6pin, or just off a single 8pin port?

Yes you're right of course about the power issues, but that they made it so difficult to get just "any" card in this thing, you're forced to look among the few options that have some support and it leads you to these issues. Anyway, I'm sure I'm just over reacting and overly venting because dealing with this mess has just been too much of an energy drain.

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Here's what it looks like.

I also tried just plugging in one of the 6 pin cables, and I get a horrible shriek, so that didnt work. :D I need to find a 2 female 6 pin to 8pin cable, I guess to try the 8 pin port?
[doublepost=1538568107][/doublepost]I guess this would be the right cable for combining the 2 6pins into a single 8 pin?

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-6-Pin-F...+8-Pin+Male+Cable&refinements=p_90:8308920011
 
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The 9100 has a 6pin and an 8pin connector. One each. So does that mean it might power off just the single 6pin, or just off a single 8pin port?

Yes you're right of course about the power issues, but that they made it so difficult to get just "any" card in this thing, you're forced to look among the few options that have some support and it leads you to these issues. Anyway, I'm sure I'm just over reacting and overly venting because dealing with this mess has just been too much of an energy drain.

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Here's what it looks like.

I also tried just plugging in one of the 6 pin cables, and I get a horrible shriek, so that didnt work. :D I need to find a 2 female 6 pin to 8pin cable, I guess to try the 8 pin port?
[doublepost=1538568107][/doublepost]I guess this would be the right cable for combining the 2 6pins into a single 8 pin?

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-6-Pin-Female-8-Pin-Cable/dp/B00M49SELW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&dd=vWIJgKK8X51CWo-DdKaQOw,,&ie=UTF8&qid=1538568049&sr=1-1&keywords=Dual+6-Pin+Female+to+8-Pin+Male+Cable&refinements=p_90:8308920011
Don’t try just one mini PCIe 6-pin. Buy the dual mini PCIe 6-pin to the 8-pin not this one that you linked.
 

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Don’t try just one mini PCIe 6-pin. Buy the dual mini PCIe 6-pin to the 8-pin not this one that you linked.
Thanks so much. I just ordered the one from amazon, should arrive today. (Same day delivery is borderline magic). Fingers crossed. Sorry for the rants. Thanks for the handholding!
 

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Did you check via remote control if the GPU is recognised in Mojave or not?
YESTERDAY was an 'interesting' day ...

THE GOOD: While using the Nvidia K5000 Mac card I tried the idea of patching the AppleGraphicsDisplayPolicy.kext by copying the entry for my board ID from the High Sierra version of the kext into the version Mojave uses. (I successfully rebooted with Nvidia card to make sure that it still functioned).
I was able to screenshare with the MacPro while the RX580 was installed and the screenshare showed the correct 2560x1600 desktop. But in NO way - using any connector at any resolution - would the card fire up my Apple 30" Cinema Display, which works perfectly with my Nvidia K5000 Mac card.
THE BAD: After replacing the Nvidia card it repeatedly hung before the login screen.

I decided to start again. I cloned my working High Sierra disk onto my main SSD boot drive and did a re-upgrade to Mojave with the Nvidia card installed. No problems and no requests for firmware updates (as I guess they had previously been done). The machine worked as wells ever it did with the Nvidia card.

UPDATE Post Mojave re-install:
1. I installed the RX580 and SSH'd into the machine from my MacBook Pro and learned that - yes - the Mac Pro does know that the card is present ... readout:
Graphics/Displays:
Radeon RX 580:
Chipset Model: Radeon RX 580
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
Slot: Slot-1
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Dynamic, Max): 8192 MB
Vendor: AMD (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x67df
Revision ID: 0x00e7
Metal: Supported, feature set macOS GPUFamily2 v1
PCI:
Radeon RX 580:
Name: ATY,AMD,RadeonFramebuffer
Type: Display Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
MSI: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-1
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x67df
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1da2
Subsystem ID: 0xe366
Revision ID: 0x00e7
Link Width: x16
Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s

There is NO Indication of my Apple Cinema Display other than in the USB section (the display has a USB hub inside it for keyboard attachment etc) and the RX580 card does not fire up the display which for some reason it did perfectly well under High Sierra.
 

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Just a quick update to let those interested in enabling filevault under Mojave know that it is possible but requires a clean installation and a Mac EFI GPU. You cannot convert a current OS drive to APFS encrypted - it will fail so don't waste your time trying.

The process is simple:

1. Create a Mojave USB installer using either the createinstallmedia or @dosdude1 Mojave patcher methods (search forums)

2. Backup whatever data is important to you then boot to the USB installer

3. Run terminal and destroy your installation drive's GPT (partition table) by executing

Code:
gpt destroy /dev/diskX

where X is the number of your installation drive
4. Run Disk Utility and format the drive to APFS Encrypted * No recovery key is set here so make sure you remember your password. A recovery key could be set at a later stage.

5. While the encrypted drive is mounted, install Mojave on it

6. Once the installation is over, reboot and you'll be presented with a 'Disk Password' screen - Enter the password you chose in step 4

7. The second part of Mojave's installation is now progressing and you will be presented with creating users at some stage after which you will be asked to enter the password that is used to unlock your mac's boot volume

8. Complete the installation, restore your data and you are done!

You can verify that filevault is enabled by going to system preferences and selecting the filevault option - it will report that it is enabled ;) I haven't tried disabling it though. Also, the recovery partition boots perfectly!

Cheers

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I mentioned this already in the other thread about FileVault, but wanted to report here also now that I have tried again. This method does not work for me, with a USB installer created via createinstallmedia and with a Sapphire RX 580 8GB card installed. I tried this method yesterday afternoon by chance before even seeing your post. The only step I did not do that time was the "gpt destroy" terminal command (but the drive was clean prior to formatting as APFS (encrypted). When running the installer after formatting the disk as APFS (encrypted), at the screen where I am supposed to choose the destination drive, the encrypted disk is greyed out. When I click on it, I get the message "You may not install to this volume because it is encrypted by FileVault"

I didn't think anything of it at the time, because Apple has disabled all other avenues of enabling FV on the cMP in Mojave. So I just reformatted the drive as plain APFS and proceeded with the install.

Then, in reading the new FileVault thread this afternoon you made a reference to this post. I was really surprised it worked for you, so I decided to try again just now. This time, I followed your directions exactly, including gpt destroy. Unfortunately, I ended up with the exact same result.

So at this point, it would be good to try to figure out why it worked for you and not for me. I think you said in the other thread that you used dosdude1's patcher to make your USB installer. So maybe that removes the "If Mac Pro 5,1, disallow installation onto encrypted volume" check--since I'd imagine it disables a lot of the other checks the installer does prohibiting install onto unsupported machines.

The only other possibility I can think of (less likely) is that the installer checks for the presence of an EFI GPU before allowing install onto an encrypted volume. But if that's the case then why didn't they include the same intelligence in the FV control panel so that users with Metal+EFI cards could enable FV after the fact?

Maybe some others can test this to make certain, but my hunch is that the key to making your method work is to use dosdude1's patcher to install Mojave. I bet it disables the 5,1-specific check for an encrypted install drive.

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EDIT: Just want to confirm that it's dosdude1's patcher that allows this method to work. I created an installer with his tool and was allowed to install Mojave to my encrypted drive.

So the method W1SS posted does work, but the "magic" of it is dosdude1's patcher modifications to the Mojave installer (which makes sense since his patcher removes the other checks so Mojave can be installed on Mac models Apple no longer supports). The normal createinstallmedia installer will not allow Mojave to be installed on an encrypted volume on a cMP.
 
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I mentioned this already in the other thread about FileVault, but wanted to report here also now that I have tried again. This method does not work for me, with a USB installer created via createinstallmedia and with a Sapphire RX 580 8GB card installed. I tried this method yesterday afternoon by chance before even seeing your post. The only step I did not do that time was the "gpt destroy" terminal command (but the drive was clean prior to formatting as APFS (encrypted). When running the installer after formatting the disk as APFS (encrypted), at the screen where I am supposed to choose the destination drive, the encrypted disk is greyed out. When I click on it, I get the message "You may not install to this volume because it is encrypted by FileVault"

I didn't think anything of it at the time, because Apple has disabled all other avenues of enabling FV on the cMP in Mojave. So I just reformatted the drive as plain APFS and proceeded with the install.

Then, in reading the new FileVault thread this afternoon you made a reference to this post. I was really surprised it worked for you, so I decided to try again just now. This time, I followed your directions exactly, including gpt destroy. Unfortunately, I ended up with the exact same result.

So at this point, it would be good to try to figure out why it worked for you and not for me. I think you said in the other thread that you used dosdude1's patcher to make your USB installer. So maybe that removes the "If Mac Pro 5,1, disallow installation onto encrypted volume" check--since I'd imagine it disables a lot of the other checks the installer does prohibiting install onto unsupported machines.

The only other possibility I can think of (less likely) is that the installer checks for the presence of an EFI GPU before allowing install onto an encrypted volume. But if that's the case then why didn't they include the same intelligence in the FV control panel so that users with Metal+EFI cards could enable FV after the fact?

Maybe some others can test this to make certain, but my hunch is that the key to making your method work is to use dosdude1's patcher to install Mojave. I bet it disables the 5,1-specific check for an encrypted install drive.

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EDIT: Just want to confirm that it's dosdude1's patcher that allows this method to work. I created an installer with his tool and was allowed to install Mojave to my encrypted drive.

So the method W1SS posted does work, but the "magic" of it is dosdude1's patcher modifications to the Mojave installer (which makes sense since his patcher removes the other checks so Mojave can be installed on Mac models Apple no longer supports). The normal createinstallmedia installer will not allow Mojave to be installed on an encrypted volume on a cMP.
Thanks for investigating this.
So does this mean that the dosdude1 patcher can circumvent both the GTX 680 bug and the encryption check?
Will I be able to revert the dosdude patch changes afterwards? I'd like to keep my system as vanilla as possible, as it is supposed to be supported, but GTX 680 and APFS Encryption seems to be impossible.


What exactly does the patcher do to the installer?

I mean - if I use the patcher to create an installer which does allow me to use GTX 680 and APFS Encrypted, then DON'T apply the post-installation patches, would my system be vanilla? Or is my system now patched?
 
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Thanks for investigating this.
So does this mean that the dosdude1 patcher can circumvent both the GTX 680 bug and the encryption check?
Will I be able to revert the dosdude patch changes afterwards? I'd like to keep my system as vanilla as possible, as it is supposed to be supported, but GTX 680 and APFS Encryption seems to be impossible.


What exactly does the patcher do to the installer?

I mean - if I use the patcher to create an installer which does allow me to use GTX 680 and APFS Encrypted, then DON'T apply the post-installation patches, would my system be vanilla? Or is my system now patched?
Good questions. My hunch is that yes, if you don't do any of the post-install stuff you will have a vanilla install of Mojave. I think that the only modifications he made to the installer are all the checks that look for incompatible Macs, etc. As a result, it also removes the check for an encrypted disk (which may have been inadvertent... if it's not asking the machine "Are you a MacPro5,1?" then it won't attempt to block installation to an encrypted volume.) That said, if you want to answer that question for certain you may want to try to contact him and ask (or post in his thread in the Mojave forum here).

I do not know if it can circumvent the 680 bug, but I think there is a really good chance that it will. If you could test that for the community that would be great. I do expect Apple to fix that problem (hopefully in 10.14.1) but no one really knows if and when that will be.
 

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Good questions. My hunch is that yes, if you don't do any of the post-install stuff you will have a vanilla install of Mojave. I think that the only modifications he made to the installer are all the checks that look for incompatible Macs, etc. As a result, it also removes the check for an encrypted disk (which may have been inadvertent... if it's not asking the machine "Are you a MacPro5,1?" then it won't attempt to block installation to an encrypted volume.) That said, if you want to answer that question for certain you may want to try to contact him and ask (or post in his thread in the Mojave forum here).

I do not know if it can circumvent the 680 bug, but I think there is a really good chance that it will. If you could test that for the community that would be great. I do expect Apple to fix that problem (hopefully in 10.14.1) but no one really knows if and when that will be.
Hmm. They might, but it could also take another couple of months.
Another thing is - will they “fix” not being able to turn FileVault on? If they don’t, we still need the dosdude1 patch.

I’ll test tonight and report back (guess we crossed a couple of threads here).
Will test and create a summary of my findings.
 

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Hmm. They might, but it could also take another couple of months.
Another thing is - will they “fix” not being able to turn FileVault on? If they don’t, we still need the dosdude1 patch.

I’ll test tonight and report back (guess we crossed a couple of threads here).
Will test and create a summary of my findings.
It's time to open a new thread on the FV2 question, this warrant a separate discussion since you're starting to use non-standard methods to install.
 
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Hmm. They might, but it could also take another couple of months.
Another thing is - will they “fix” not being able to turn FileVault on? If they don’t, we still need the dosdude1 patch.

I’ll test tonight and report back (guess we crossed a couple of threads here).
Will test and create a summary of my findings.
Thanks.

I doubt they will change anything relating to FileVault. Until someone else reports otherwise, the stock Mojave installer prevents install to an encrypted volume on a cMP. This is how it should be, considering Apple's decision to completely prevent the use of FileVault on the cMP (all available avenues for enabling it after installation are also blocked).

The only reason Apple might change this is if they are working on either:

1. A way to use it even with a non-EFI GPU (either enabling the recommended AMD cards to work in the EFI environment, or somehow modifying FileVault to not require EFI. This is very unlikely.

2. Implementing some kind of check for EFI-capable cards and allowing use of FileVault for those cards only. I think this is also unlikely, but it's more likely than #1.

So I would expect the status quo to remain for future Mojave releases, unfortunately. This may mean that you would have to continue to use the dosdude1 patcher to clean install Mojave in the future as well.
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It's time to open a new thread on the FV2 question, this warrant a separate discussion since you're starting to use non-standard methods to install.
We can just use DIY_glenn's other thread he created yesterday. I'll refrain from further posts here, except to reiterate that W1SS's method detailed in this thread still needs to be tested by others to confirm my finding that the dosdude1 patcher is required to make it work. W1SS says he thinks it also works with the stock USB installer, but that was not my experience.
 

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YESTERDAY was an 'interesting' day ...

THE GOOD: While using the Nvidia K5000 Mac card I tried the idea of patching the AppleGraphicsDisplayPolicy.kext by copying the entry for my board ID from the High Sierra version of the kext into the version Mojave uses. (I successfully rebooted with Nvidia card to make sure that it still functioned).
I was able to screenshare with the MacPro while the RX580 was installed and the screenshare showed the correct 2560x1600 desktop. But in NO way - using any connector at any resolution - would the card fire up my Apple 30" Cinema Display, which works perfectly with my Nvidia K5000 Mac card.
THE BAD: After replacing the Nvidia card it repeatedly hung before the login screen.

I decided to start again. I cloned my working High Sierra disk onto my main SSD boot drive and did a re-upgrade to Mojave with the Nvidia card installed. No problems and no requests for firmware updates (as I guess they had previously been done). The machine worked as wells ever it did with the Nvidia card.

UPDATE Post Mojave re-install:
1. I installed the RX580 and SSH'd into the machine from my MacBook Pro and learned that - yes - the Mac Pro does know that the card is present ... readout:
Graphics/Displays:
Radeon RX 580:
Chipset Model: Radeon RX 580
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
Slot: Slot-1
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Dynamic, Max): 8192 MB
Vendor: AMD (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x67df
Revision ID: 0x00e7
Metal: Supported, feature set macOS GPUFamily2 v1
PCI:
Radeon RX 580:
Name: ATY,AMD,RadeonFramebuffer
Type: Display Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
MSI: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-1
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x67df
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1da2
Subsystem ID: 0xe366
Revision ID: 0x00e7
Link Width: x16
Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s

There is NO Indication of my Apple Cinema Display other than in the USB section (the display has a USB hub inside it for keyboard attachment etc) and the RX580 card does not fire up the display which for some reason it did perfectly well under High Sierra.
UPDATE:
Today I tried the following with Sapphire card tests in-between ...
1. Removed all extensions that were not-from-Apple or an Identified Developer. Result: BLACK SCREEN
2. Removed all staged extensions. Result: BLACK SCREEN
3. Removed all user-installed fonts. Result: BLACK SCREEN
4. Turned off-screen sharing. Result: BLACK SCREEN
5. Tested both my NVidia Quadro K5000 Mac and the Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 using the Mac Pro's diagnostic LEDs with some interesting results (photo attached). With the NVidia card installed both the "EFI (is done loading)" AND the "GPU (EFI has configured the graphics card)" LEDs lit up. With the Sapphire card installed ONLY the EFL LED lit, NEVER the GPU LED. This was true in both normal and Safe Mode, although the RX580 does work in Safe Mode.
6. Re-checked power connections to the card ... 2x COMeap Mini 6 Pin to 6 Pin to a GutsParker Premium Braided Dual 6-Pin Female to 8-Pin Male Cable.

I am open to ANY thoughts on why this card will not produce video under Mojave.

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W1SS says he thinks it also works with the stock USB installer, but that was not my experience.
At no point did I say that... I said "I will retest Apple's installer again over the weekend as I am sure I tested both installer routes previously." I'm shutting this conversation down as I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth as well as out of respect for tsialex.

@tsialex Apologies mate as I didn't intend for this to happen. I'll remove the recent edit I made to the first post and if this continues to drag on, I'll delete content from my FV post.
 

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At no point did I say that... I said "I will retest Apple's installer again over the weekend as I am sure I tested both installer routes previously." I'm shutting this conversation down as I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth as well as out of respect for tsialex.

@tsialex Apologies mate as I didn't intend for this to happen. I'll remove the recent edit I made to the first post and if this continues to drag on, I'll delete content from my FV post.
Really not sure what is with the hostility. How else was I to interpret this post of yours:

I tested both routes previously and am surprised with your result. I am leaning more towards your GPU being the issue.
To me that says that you think it works, and that the problem was due to my video card. We're just trying to get accurate information posted here, especially when posting instructions meant for others to follow. I meant absolutely no offense to you. We are all supposed to be working together towards common goals here.

That's the last I'm going to say about it, here or elsewhere.
 
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