Mr. Blanc just got blanked

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by orestes1984, Nov 19, 2014.

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    The interesting thing is that for all of the talk about censorship that fly around in these threads, this IMO, is the closest thing to actually being it.

    On the other hand, every country has the right to decide who they will or will not let in.

    I should probably familiarize myself with what he has to say.

    It must be terribly dangerous and subversive.
     
  3. orestes1984 thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Fill in the Blancs

     
  4. mtneer macrumors 68030

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    Something does not sound right. Why would an American require a visa to visit the UK? An American passport is sufficient to enter any European country; never been asked for a visa since the Cold War.
     
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    They could be just referring to being allowed in the country, which the media might refer to as a visa even when it technically isn't, or possibly since he is giving seminars he needs a work visa which was denied.
     
  6. orestes1984 thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I'm not sure, but either way if you read the story he was denied entry into the UK. He was recently thrown out of Australia to boot. It seems that people don't like his behavior, some people are labeling it as extremely sexist and misogynistic, others are saying what he's suggesting to do is borderline rape.
     
  7. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    He's encouraging men to sexually assault women, which has to be taken seriously.
     
  8. shinji macrumors 65816

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    That's extremely broad. No one person should have that much discretion to determine what is and isn't "conducive to the public good."
     
  9. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Let's face it. People get banned from the US with far less oversight and far more dubious reasons.
     
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    You are aware that these entry bans are free advertisment for that guy.
    If he plays his cards right, he will be rich in no time.

    If you pay for a seminar to be tought how to persuade women to have sex with you, you need to sit down and reevaluate your life.
     
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    Would you mind sharing some examples?
     
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    I think the losers that take these seminars did that and realized this may be their only option :p
     
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    The linked video where he says it's acceptable to just grab a Japanese woman without asking permission implicitly or explicitly.

    They might not fancy him at all and not want to lose face.
     
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    I'll go on record as saying I find Mr Blanc's entire business deeply disgusting. His attitudes and behaviors towards women are distasteful in the extreme, and anyone who attends his seminars or downloads his web programs is worthy of my contempt.

    That said, I am actually more disturbed by the British Government's actions in this case. Vile as Mr Blanc's beliefs may be, he has not actually been either accused or convicted of committing any crime. And that - rather than one's personal beliefs (no matter how repellent) ought to be the sole criteria for determining whether or not to grant entry.

    The British Government claims that Blanc may cause various things to happen. Which sounds like the textbook example of convicting someone of "pre-crime."

    For the best part of a millennium, Britain truly led the world in the development of legal liberty: free speech and the rights of individuals. But lacking a written constitution like the United States has, I am very sorry to say Britain has taken a large number of very sad steps backwards in the civil liberties area. For shame!
     
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    Oops, I quoted the wrong post of yours. I meant this one.

     
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    List
    Hamid Aboutalebi - Iranian envoy to the United Nations denied a visa in April 2014 to enter the United States because of his role as a translator for the militants who stormed the American Embassy in Tehran in 1979 and held American citizens hostage for 444 days.

    Gerry Adams - Irish republican, later President of Sinn Féin, was denied a visa on several occasionson the grounds that he refused to renounce violence. Adams was granted a limited (48 hour) visa in January 1994, and would visit the U.S. on several further occasions. In 2006, however, Adams was denied a fundraising visa by the US government.

    Lily Allen – British singer, banned in 2007 from the U.S. after her U.S. work visa was revoked following her arrest earlier the same years on charges of assaulting a photographer in London.
    Luke Angel – British teen who sent a curse-laden e-mail message to the White House directed at President Barack Obama is banned for life from the United States. The British police visited Angel at his home in Bedfordshire, and Angel admitted to sending the e-mail, although he claimed he could not remember what he wrote.

    Kurt Blome – Blome, a German microbiologist and Nazi scientist, was acquitted at Nuremberg. In 1951, he was hired by the U.S. Army Chemical Corps under Project 63, one of the successors to Operation Paperclip, to work on chemical warfare. His file neglected to mention Nuremberg. Denied a visa by the U.S. Consul in Frankfurt, he was employed at European Command Intelligence Center at Oberursel, West Germany.

    Boy George – Boy George (real name George O'Dowd) was denied a visa in 2008 by US immigration officials while facing trial in the UK in November of that year. The singer had been ordered to clean the streets of New York as community service in 2006 after pleading guilty to falsely reporting a burglary. An official statement from his management said: "At the moment, Boy George cannot come to the United States of America because he has been refused permission to enter by the USA Administration. This is not in respect of anything he has done in the past but because he is facing a trial in November in London for something that happened in April last year."On 5 December 2008, O'Dowd was convicted in Snaresbrook Crown Court, London, of the assault and false imprisonment of a paid sex partner (male escort) in the singer's apartment on their first encounter. On 16 January 2009, O'Dowd was sentenced to 15 months in prison for these offences. For this O'Dowd was again denied entry to the United States. O'Dowd was allowed entry to the U.S. in 2014.[citation needed]
    Hortensia Bussi de Allende – The widow of Chilean President Salvador Allende, who was overthrown and assassinated in a coup, was barred from entering the United States when she attempted to do so in 1983.

    Pete Doherty - British singer, with numerous drugs-related arrests, denied entry into the United States in June 2010, after spending 10 hours in detention in New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, despite having a visa.

    Kyle Falconer – Scottish lead singer for The View. In 2007 he was convicted of possessing cocaine, resulting in the cancellation of the band's US tour.[18] The View had been refused entry to the USA, prompting public claims from Falconer that they are permanently banned from both America and Japan. In interviews since the conviction, however, the band have insisted that drugs are no longer an issue and were hoping to tour the States in the near future. Permission for the band to tour the US was granted in 2011.

    Yusuf Islam – British singer formerly known as Cat Stevens was denied entry into the United States on 21 September 2004, and would remain banned until December 2006, when he was re-admitted without incident to perform at several radio concerts and to conduct interviews promoting his new album. His name had originally been flagged as being on a no fly list. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers alerted the United States Transportation Security Administration, which then diverted his flight to Bangor, Maine, where he was detained by officers from the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS).The following day, he was flown back to the United Kingdom. A spokesman for the DHS stated that there had been "concerns of ties he may have to potential terrorist-related activities". The singer said that it may have been an error due to the similarity of his name with that of one "Youssef Islam".
    Nigella Lawson, chef author and TV host of The Taste, was barred from a flight out of London to Los Angeles, California on 30 March 2014, due to public revelations of past cocaine use, which became public during her contentious divorce from her second husband.
    Mad Child (né Shane Bunting) – Canadian rapper, who, in early 2011, was banned from entering the United States, due to alleged ties with the Hells Angels biker gang. Bunting stated that he had been detained at a U.S. airport for approximately eight hours before being told he could not enter the U.S.

    Bernadette Devlin McAliskey – Irish republican activist McAliskey was banned from entering the United States on 21 February 2003. US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) officials at O'Hare Airport (Chicago) seized McAliskey who was traveling on a flight from Dublin to New York on the grounds that she posed a “serious threat to national security”; an official stated that she was not allowed to enter due to an “expired visa waiver”. She had also been temporarily banned from entering the U.S. in 1983 for fundraising for the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA).

    Narendra Modi – Prime Minister of India & former Chief Minister of Gujarat. In 2005, Modi was denied a diplomatic A-2 visa to the United States. In addition, the B-1/B-2 visa that had previously been granted to him was revoked, under a section of the Immigration and Nationality Act which makes any foreign government official who was responsible or "directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom" ineligible for the visa. Modi remains the only person ever to be banned to travel to the United States of America under the International Religious Freedom Act (IRFA) provision of US Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). In 2012, A Special Investigation Team (SIT) appointed by the Indian Supreme Court found no “prosecutable evidence” against Modi and cleared him of all charges. The US visa issue morphed into a diplomatic hurdle in bilateral India–United States relations when Narendra Modi became the Prime Minister of India in 2014.

    Shane Paul O'Doherty (born 1955, Derry, Northern Ireland) – Provisional Irish Republican Army bomber. One of his bombs injured a member of the British Cabinet, Reginald Maudling. He sent a letter bomb to 10 Downing Street, which did not explode. Other locales where his bombs did detonate include the London Stock Exchange, the Bank of England, and an otherwise unidentified government building, injuring several people, including a security guard who lost an eye and a hand. O'Doherty sent a bomb to Bishop Gerard Tickle, the Roman Catholic chaplain to the British Army, after reading a newspaper story which purportedly quoted the bishop as stating that British soldiers did nothing wrong on Bloody Sunday. The bomb was stuffed into a hollowed-out Bible but failed to detonate. His United States citizen wife, Michelle Sweeney, tried to sponsor him for a visa, which was denied based on O'Doherty's criminal record. The marriage was later annulled.

    Alexi Ogando – Major League Baseball player (relief pitcher) admitted his involvement in an immigration marriage fraud ring. He was banned in 2009 from entering the United States for five years, limiting him to winter ball, the Dominican Summer League and international tournaments.

    Pogo, born Nick Bertke, a South African-born Australian electronic music artist/producer. He was incarcerated for three weeks – two weeks in a county jail and another week in a federal detention centre – after being apprehended without a working visa while touring in America in September 2011. His 10-year ban took effect the following month.

    Tariq Ramadan – Swiss academic, educator and author (Western Muslims and the Future of Islam) was banned from entering the United States from 2004–2010. He purportedly was given various reasons for the ban, including having "endorsed terrorism" and "violated the USA Patriot Act". Later he was banned for having contributed money to a French charity supporting humanitarian work in the Palestinian territories between 1998 and 2002, which was deemed, in 2003, to have the charities in question provided money to Hamas. In 2010, the ban was lifted.

    Mark Thatcher – The son of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, Sir Mark Thatcher was denied a green card (permanent residency visa), although then married to a U.S. citizen, Louise Thatcher (née Burgdorf), due to his guilty plea in January 2005 in South Africa to breaking anti-mercenary legislation in South Africa by investing in an aircraft "without taking proper investigations into what it would be used for", admitting in court that he had paid the money, but said he was under the impression it was to be invested in an air ambulance service to help impoverished Africans. The judge rejected this explanation and Thatcher was fined R3,000,000 rand and received a four-year suspended jail sentence. On 3 April 2005, Thatcher, then living with his mother in London, announced that his family home would be in Europe after he was refused a residence visa to live in the United States as a result of his guilty plea in the Equatorial Guinea affair.

    Gerard Ungerman – French filmmaker banned from re-entering the United States for 15 months beginning on 13 December 2010. After being “stuck” in Paris for five months disputing with U.S. immigration authorities over his right to return to California, where he had lived for almost 20 years, he was officially barred from re-entering the U.S., despite the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)'s approval of his immigrant visa petition, which should have allowed him to return. U.S. immigration authorities in Europe charged that he had been living in the U.S. illegally and was therefore ineligible for the approved green card (permanent residency visa) for which he had traveled to the U.S. Consulate in Paris to pick up per the directive from DHS. “What I didn't know is that I should not have left the country”, Ungerman later realized, “but I should have worked out with a lawyer to convert my immigrant-visa approval into an actual immigrant status from inside the country. Instead I went out to Paris, where I had been ‘invited’ to pick up my visa at the U.S. Consulate. By doing that, I stepped into a bear trap because the consul there accused me [in July] of having stayed illegally and told me I was ineligible for my visa for 10 years and couldn't go back home”, but was eventually allowed to return to the U.S., arriving on 12 October 2011.

    Kurt and Elisabeth Waldheim – Waldheim, an Austrian diplomat and politician; United Nations official, and President of Austria (1986–1992), and his wife Elisabeth, were officially deemed personae non gratae by the United States and excluded from entering United States territory due to their Nazi affiliations and activities during World War II. In 1987, the couple was placed on a watch list of persons banned from entering the United States and remained on the list for the remainder of their lives.

    Amy Winehouse – British singer banned from the USA in 2009 for drug convictions and for assault. A year and a half after she had been barred from entering the country in 2007 to attend the Grammys due to a drug rap, U.S. authorities refused to grant her a work visa in 2009 to perform at the Coachella festival. She was ordered to appear at the City of Westminster Magistrates Court to face a common assault charge (dating from September 2008) on 17 March 2009. Winehouse had been previously prohibited from playing in the U.S. after she was arrested in Norway on a drug charge, and ended up performing live via satellite. She died in 2011

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_barred_or_excluded_from_the_United_States
     
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    Thanks for the Wikipedia copy and paste. I'll wait for eraserhead to respond.
     
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    That's ok, I think that all soveriegn countries, some times bend to public pressure, when it comes to foriegn visitors.
     
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    I know someone who lived in a Canadian border town who was denied entry to the U.S. as he only had a credit card and didn't have any cash.

    I don't believe he can now get into the U.S. at all. Although perhaps with enough drama he could get in.

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    I think generally applying good rules on immigration is hard. We can't exactly charge this guy with a crime even if in the UK he would have committed an offence.
     
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    Criminal history?

    While on a business trip to Quebec, a coworker was denied entry at YQB for a DUI.
     
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    I think it is extremely unlikely there was any criminal history.

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    You know that's pretty ridiculous too presuming it was declared and they weren't trying to drive illegally.
     
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    I think that the Mr Blanc case, and other high profile cases it's the public pressure that normally tips the balance.

    The DM running a article to gather signature doesn't help when it comes to being even handed.

    I should have also wrote that the UK being an island immigration controls are easier.
     
  23. orestes1984 thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I find it ridiculous that the United States refuses to let people enter because of DUI charges.
     
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    My coworker was from New York, denied in Quebec. But, yes, the United States and other countries can deny entry for criminal history.
     
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    Actually it is Canada that does a quick random criminal record check on people entering from the United States.

    Due to their geographical proximity, as well as a law-enforcement data-sharing agreement between the two nations, Canadian border agents can tap into the central FBI criminal records database. So anyone convicted of any US Federal or State crime is going to be listed there.

    On the other hand, the Canadians would not have any way to find out if the person had been convicted in, say, Uganda or Poland.

    Other nations don't have the option that the Canadians do - yet. In order for an Australian or British immigration agent to deny entry, they would have to know ahead of time that the person entering had a criminal record.

    Of course, there are very good reasons for countries not to want to share all of their criminal records database with the US. So it is far from inevitable
     

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