Although at E3 I think the 360 did have some of the best looking games, overall i have to say I am disappointed with them. The 360 truly is Xbox 1.5. I mean yeah it has some pretty games, and it is in HD which is awesome but overall MS played it really safe. They already had xbox live and just tacked on a marketplace, some old arcade games, and a poorly done voice chat system (have you heard the quality of it? yuk). It's a good system, and I bought one at launch and have half a dozen games for it, but after seeing more of the same at E3 i kinda feel... blah with it. Nintendo took one HUGE chance with their controller. And so far byt the amount of Nintendo fanboy/fanaticism on all sorts of forums they did very well for themselves. I pre-ordered one (got a buddy from EB who made sure i will get #1 spot thwne it goes on preorder) and the Snes/genesis/N64/NES/GC stuff looks great, hopefully they won't charge too much for the darn games. BUt what sucks is no HD. A lot of people say "HD isnt all that great, you don't need it", these people need to play a 360 in HD then go play it on a regular tv and see the huge loss in clarity and overall sharpness of the picture. And the small jump in horsepower in the system kind of sucks because in 3 years when ps3/xbox are pumping out amazing looking games and Wii has maxed out what it can do since it is basically a turbo charged GC (they are using almost the same dev kit for the Wii as the GC). But, nintendo always finds a way to pull a miracle out of their butt so no doubt they will find a way to keep the system going. Plus, the wiimote looks rad for FPS games. Personally I think sony took the largest risk by taking a bunch of small ones. Its too bad they don't know how to do a PR show because E3 made them look like idiots. That guy who played Warhawk with the wiiDual Shock controller looked crazy but reading opinions on IGN and Gamespot the controller actually sounds easy to use and fun but in need of a bit of sensitivity tweeking. The bluray is a big risk because they charge more for it, but again, anyone who has an HD set will be stoked to have HD movies instead of 480i/480p ones with DVD's. I'm hoping Bluray wins VHS vs Beta round 2 (even though sony helped create VHS and made Beta) so then I won't have to buy a HD-DVD player The bluetooth is great, the card readers are great, built in wifi is great, 60GB hdd is great, price is.. well not so great and the sneaky removal of HDMI from the "lower' priced model is a joke. Anyway, the point being is that 360 looks dull compared to the 100% games-nothing-else Wii and the computer..I mean Ps3. MS playing it safe kind of bums me out, even though I know that MS will probably end up ahead of everyone because their system will be cheap and has little new to add the market, just kind of added a fresh coat of paint to the old Xbox.