Mudslinging by the Founding Fathers

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Ugg, Oct 30, 2010.

  1. Ugg macrumors 68000


    Apr 7, 2003
    And people think mudslinging was invented by Murdoch, the Koch brothers, Beck and Limbaugh.

    They were pretty nasty back then too.

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  2. robanga macrumors 68000


    Aug 25, 2007
    Not to mention the duels at 40 paces. That was quite a way to settle a disagreement.
  3. likemyorbs macrumors 68000


    Jul 20, 2008
    Yeah, a lot of people tend to have this view of the founding fathers about how great they were and how they wrote the constitution and how everything we're doing now is unconstitutional and blah blah effing blah. But the truth is it wasn't even that cut and dry at the time. There were a lot of things they argued over, and lets not forget they weren't the most civilized people in the world either. They killed each other in duels and owned slaves, nuff said about their character. Which is why we should take their words with a grain of salt, after all, they did live 2 centuries ago and would be shocked to see life in the 21st century. People need to get over the founding fathers, they weren't THAT amazing...
  4. iJohnHenry macrumors P6


    Mar 22, 2008
    On tenterhooks

    At that distance, it's a wonder anybody was ever hit, what with the firearms of the day. ;)

    I believe the norm was "walk 10 paces, stop, turn, fire", which would be half the distance, and still not an easy shot under fire.
  5. Ugg thread starter macrumors 68000


    Apr 7, 2003
    Not to forget that GW was a land speculator and got massively rich selling land after the revolution. He wasn't the only one either.
  6. Ttownbeast macrumors 65816

    May 10, 2009
    Indeed, and our leading founders were mainly wealthy opportunists wanting more open trade rather than an exclusive contract with just the British homeland concerning trade.

    Problems arose particularly with the rum trade early on the supply lines were pretty stupidly operated in the opinions of the colonists who were involved. Since sugar cane was exported from the Caribbean and channeled through England with taxes and transport costs added when Americans could just as easily make rum by getting the sugar directly from the source and sell it cheaper on the open market. But the empire did not like it because it opened up a market they had less control over so direct supply was banned.

    Many had their reasons for wanting a revolt as it was a smart financial move when it was successful, the difficulty was getting the rest of the colonists to side with them and needed convincing propaganda as the tool. Luckily they had a few printers (also businessmen) on their side such as the likes of Paine and Franklin to help drum up support among the more literate colonists.

    Franklin was one of the earliest political cartoonists if I recollect since it was he who also designed and pressed the "join or die" slogan. Ran his own paper, and was an extraordinary inventor--his personal habits made him out to be kind of the Larry Flynt of his time though.

    You needed good political writers at the time as well and Paine fit the bill though he never ran for office he was responsible for many decently written works on the subjects of politics and religion--and occasionally known to write something scathing here or there that would turn the public into a mob against him devoted to having him tarred feathered or even possibly beaten and hanged. But he was quite a convincing orator half the time when the mobs caught up with him he would either have to duke it out with whoever was ahead of the wave or manage somehow to verbally disperse it convincingly enough.

    Much of what any war is is propaganda, we have just gotten really bad at it since WWII--probably partly due to the marked increase in literacy over the last half of a century. It is harder now to fool most the people with words than it was over 200+ years ago. Of course the PRSI shows evidence that some though highly mechanically literate still don't use enough critical thought concerning what they read to formulate a thorough educated independent opinion.

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