Mueller now investigating Trump business transactions

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  1. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    Oh dear. Bloomberg has a story out now that Special Counsel Mueller is going where Trump really, really doesn't want him to go:

    The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trump campaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.
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    FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said.

    John Dowd, one of Trump’s lawyers, said on Thursday he was unaware of this element of the investigation. "Those transactions are in my view well beyond the mandate of the Special counsel; are unrelated to the election of 2016 or any alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and most importantly, are well beyond any Statute of Limitation imposed by the United States Code," he wrote in an email.
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    As part of their investigation, Mueller’s team has issued subpoenas to banks and filed requests for bank records to foreign lenders under mutual legal assistance treaties, according to two of the people familiar with the matter.​

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...o-expand-probe-to-trump-business-transactions

    I can't wait to see what Trump is going to say about this development.
     
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    Special prosecutors are known to go down the rabbit hole. Ask Bill Clinton how he feels about this... it's what got him impeached. Had Ken Star stayed within the scope of the initial investigation, Billy boy would have been fine.

    The legality of this is questionable. Typically anything found during "fishing expeditions" (willfully looking for evidence of a crime outside the scope and intent of the core investigation) are generally tossed on 4th/5th Amendment grounds.

    If Trump's lawyers are any good, Mueller will be shutdown on Trump's business dealings.
     
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    The almighty Trump made it happen again, Tnx to him.
     
  5. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Not sure about that. He was running his business as a candidate. It can be argued that anything he did during the time he was a candidate and running his business is within the investigation's reach. After all - Junior's meeting happened before the election.

    As others have said. Follow the money. And that's going to include Trump's businesses.
     
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    Mueller will be gone by the end of next week, you heard it here first. But no worries, nothing to see here folks. Conflict of interest? blah Collusion with Russia? blah, who cares about Don Jr's emails, besides Collusion isn't a bad thing anyway, we love the Russians.
     
  7. darksithpro macrumors 6502

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    If his sole job was to investigate the 2016 election and Russian interference, then he should stick to just that. If he's digging out of the scope of the investigation, then he should be shut down.
     
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    Question: are Trump's lawyers any good? He seems to have a history of not paying lawyers, so I kind of wonder exactly what kind of lawyers are left who are willing to work for him...
     
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    You don't think they are inter-related? See my post above
     
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    Not to mention he still owns his businesses.
     
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    But what if Trump actually is in debt to the Russians? If there's a quid-pro-quo going on here, such that Trump has a reason to turn a blind eye towards Russia's activities during the election, wouldn't that be of interest to the investigation?
     
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    There could be a million scenarios. There could be none. That's what the investigation is for and given Trump's business are still his and that he ran them during the election - they should be fair game. If there's nothing there - he should have no problem with it.
     
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    What? it's the Almighty Trump , do you understand?
     
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    That would imply Russia has something very incriminating on him. It's all speculation. If he's fishing he should be shut down, however if he's following a trail from the initial point of the investigation, then he should continue.
     
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    Or here's a better a idea......... LET THE INVESTIGATION TAKE IT'S COURSE, RELEASE YOUR TAXES, RELEASE ANY DOCUMENTS YOU MAY HAVE AND PUT THIS TO BED ALREADY. But no, until then, impede, deflect, deny then spin........rinse/repeat. He's doing everything the complete opposite of someone who is innocent and has nothing to hide.
     
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    That's why I said "if".
    He is his own worst enemy.
     
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    It depends on what you mean by "shutdown". If you mean that certain evidence will be inadmissible in a criminal trial, then that is one thing. But as with Ken Starr and Bill Clinton, it's not going to come down to a criminal trial. If the evidence is damning enough, and trump's credibility is shot, then it won't matter whether the evidence is technically admittable or not, as that will never actually be determined in court.
     
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    All investigations start from speculations. There's a murder, but there's no evidence at the crime scene that points to a suspect. Do you just give up? No, you interview the victim's friends and associates, see if anyone had motive to kill the victim. If anyone had motive, you check to see if they had means and opportunity to commit the murder. You didn't have a trail of evidence that leads from the murder scene to the suspect, but it's still a valid investigation.

    Same thing with the Trump-Russia investigation. You investigate any and all connections that might exist between Trump and Russia, then see if any of them looks unusual. So investigating Trump's business dealings with Russia is a natural component of the investigation, not an overreach at all.
     
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    Congratulations. You agree with me that this should be the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    BL.
     
  20. MarkusL macrumors 6502

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    "Don't follow the money!"
     
  21. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    But I have evidence of Meuller's comflict of interest! Someone fire him already! What evidence? Coming soonish to a news station near you, when I choose to share.
     
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    Nope. There very well could be some Russian money laundering issues in his "business dealings". The Trump soho project in particular has questionable issues.
     
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    lawyers that trump can't even talk to about because they don't have security clearances. how is that going to look if trump managed to stop them into looking at his business deals?
     
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    If his finances are connected to the 2016 election then he has every right to investigate them. Investigations don't stay in one box.
     

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