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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by scotthayes, Apr 1, 2008.
This could be the biggest and best news in Zimbabwe for nearly 30 years
The amazing thing for me, all these years, is how muted the criticism of him has been. He's been nutzoidal as a mouse in heat from the git-go, yet people have hardly been seriously critical in the world press.
And the UN hasn't done jack squat...
I've been following these events quite closely. I wouldn't put money on any outcome right now. The Police and Army in Zim have even been rumoured to be stating that they will only take orders from Zanu-PF whatever the election results.
I'm wondering whether South Africa will attempt to impose a coalition government between the MDC and Zanu-PF on the country. Although it's possibly the worst outcome in terms of needed reform, it may prevent the bloodshed that is inevitable with any other course of action.
I'd be surprised if he stepped down.
Its worth noting that before about 1995 Mugabe was a well liked and competent leader.
What's that saying about power corrupts?
^^ Well exactly. Its sad really though.
Actually everything went bad as early as 1983, when ZANU-PF massacred 20,000 Ndebele civilians and Joshua Nkomo fled the country.
According to the BBC the opposition party has the majority of seats.
I'm not sure what will happen next however, the ruling party may not be willing to just give up all their power, after all it has been pretty much a dictatorship for so long.
Election Commission confirm his defeat
Now. Will he go quietly?
Cheers for the thread title change
If it's true that MDC have won over 50% then from what I've read there is no need for a run off.
Not so fast... Link
I don't know why this isn't front page news. Mugabe has been a cause of many serious problems in Africa over the last few decades. Yet, here in the United States, everyone is more worried about whether a rich black man or a rich white woman, and I only know of one other person in this thread who's from the United States.
Actually it seems criticism from Britain and the US has been counter-productive as we are "colonial", so many people don't believe the UN criticising him would help.
Eraserhead, our criticisms seem to have been rather muted. Every news article I've read over these past years has been very mild in the phrasing about Mugabe's actions. Very few editorials in the mainstream press about his egregious abuses.
Apparently Mugabe and his people intend to remain in control. This morning's news had a squib about them getting arms shipments from China.
Interesting that the American press has been muted. However ours has been very vocal on the issue.
Attempting to get arms, but hopefully they are unlikely to receive them. The President of South Africa may kiss all four of Mugabe's cheeks, but dock workers in Durban are refusing to unload the shipments off the boats they came in on. The dock workers in Natal tend to be Inkatha supporters rather than ANC. With any luck Buthelezi will ensure they never reach land. Buthi is no fan of Mugabe, referring to him in the past as "the fool of the African family".
A similar situation will arise if the boats attempt to unload in Maputo.
Nice to have a reporter "on the ground", as it were.
I would like to think that the dock workers will be able to hold out but they are on legally shaky ground as their refusal could be taken as an illegal strike. Uncle Thabo obviously has a vested interest in keeping mad Bob in power and he will use whatever means at his disposal to achieve that. Zimbabwe's best hope may be in the unlikely shape of Jacob Zuma. Morgan Tsvangarai has already started the ball rolling in asking for Thabo to be removed from the negotiations and if the international community were to speak directly with Zuma and Mwanawasa (of Zambia) this may be the defacto outcome.
From this morning's news:
Down toward the bottom: What the heck is Zimbabwe gonna do with six more jet fighters?
Well, they don't need "unloading", so that's a way to import gun platforms without any hassles.
They do however need an airstrip to take off from and to cross at least one other country's airspace to reach landlocked Zimbabwe. Without Mozambique or South Africa co-operating they will never reach Harare.
Well the High Court in Durban refused permission for the cargo to be unloaded and the Chinese vessel is back at sea. Next destination, possibly Angola where it may be possible to offload the cargo but I doubt that Botswana will allow transit to Zimbabwe.
What we need is a "Jack Ruby" to step up, and take one for the team.
Too right. I'm constantly amazed that dictators aren't taken out in this fashion. I guess that being able to control a whole country means that you are also able to control your close circle of staff.