Music Labels Wary of Apple?

Discussion in 'MacRumors News Discussion (archive)' started by MacBytes, May 4, 2004.

  1. MacBytes macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. J-Squire macrumors regular

    Nov 10, 2003
    This is the most backwards opinion I've ever heard!
    The record companies are scared that Apple will succeed? What a load of rubbish. They NEED apple to succeed in order that they don't lose millions of dollars revenue from illegal downloads.

    I would imagine the record companies have a large say in which artists are promoted. For example, I doubt Apple gets to choose which song the give away for free each week. I would imagine that is dictated by the record companies.
  3. winmacguy macrumors 68020


    Nov 8, 2003
    New Zealand
    soooo its ok to be dominated by MS but not by Apple..... interesting way of thinking really :confused: :eek:


    Actually on second thoughts, all the other MP3 player providers on the market have all got a equal choice interms of promoting their music players it is just the customers who are voicing their opinions with their feet and wallets as to which music player they prefer and there for which music service they would eventually prefer to use. Apple just so happens to have designed and created the best portable device on the market and beaten its competitiors to the punch so now everybody else is seriously worried.
  4. vollspacken macrumors 65816


    Oct 17, 2002
    Boogie-Down Berlintown
    the music industry is so full of sh*t, it's unbelievable..!!! :mad:

  5. dukemeiser macrumors 6502a


    Dec 17, 2002
    Ah the corruption of the recording industry. This may be why their were rumors about raising the price on songs. It would kill Apple's domination.
  6. Stella macrumors 604


    Apr 21, 2003
    Labels obviously want online music stores to fail then... is it Apple's fault they are the company that puts out a decent music store?!!!!

    Well, if record companies don't delivery what the customer wants, then piracy will only continue.
  7. wordmunger macrumors 603


    Sep 3, 2003
    North Carolina
    The labels are obviously colluding in Europe--they are getting together to control the music market. They've formed some sort of agreement with each other not to sign with Apple until they all agree to terms. This is, of course, illegal, monopolistic behavior.

    Let's hope the E.U. can get its act together and sue the recording industry to force them to act competitively: e.g. sign the deal that's best for each individual company, not gang up together to drive prices up and competition out.
  8. shamino macrumors 68040


    Jan 7, 2004
    Purcellville, VA
    Let me get this straight

    The record labels are upset because Apple is selling lots of songs and they're getting lots of profit.

    If this isn't clear-cut proof that the RIAA is only interested in power, and couldn't care less about anything else, I don't know what is.
  9. JeffTL macrumors 6502a

    Dec 18, 2003
    If more bigtime artists take the Jimmy Buffett route and go independent, the record companies as we know them today will simply not be able to survive.

    This is, as far as I can see, a fact.

    It therefore makes sense that they now are fearing the influence of the online music stores; it appears as if anyone whose sales are worth the megabytes can get on iTunes -- from any cooperating label, including of course independent labels.

    If a successful and profitable musician's contract comes up and he or she is considering going independent, the record company has two options:
    a) let them go, killing the goose that laid the golden egg
    b) Offering a raise, which may or may not be persuasive, and costs money if it is.

    The reason that the RIAA members fear online music distribution is very simple:
    It makes it possible for independent music to be highly successful.
  10. gwangung macrumors 65816

    Apr 9, 2003

    Ding! DIng! Ding!

    Somebody gets it! Or, more accurately, the option of online music makes it easier for big name acts to make more money and cut the labels out of the equation (because you won't get that clout without major help of the labels). And bigger name acts, I believe, is where the labels pin their hopes of generating revenue...
  11. Stella macrumors 604


    Apr 21, 2003
    Apple do not make a lot of profit for iTunes... the profit they made was very small..
  12. dombi macrumors regular

    Jul 8, 2003
    Lets call them MS in the EU

    The EU should definitely look into this. It is starting to sound like some Microsoft business tactic. They are not trying to do what is best for internet music companies and the users. Their decision is biased, and only supports their own good.
  13. Jerry Spoon macrumors 6502a

    Jerry Spoon

    Jan 8, 2002
    Historic St. Charles
    I think SHAMINO was referring to the labels making lots of profit, not Apple, versus what they would have made if people had simply illegally downloaded many of the songs.

  14. Awimoway macrumors 65816

    Sep 13, 2002
    at the edge
    I wish this story had led on The most salient point, to my mind, is that it's not Apple's fault foreign iTMS is taking so long. Apple does indeed tend to treat non-American users as second-class customers, but it's not always for lack of trying.
  15. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001
    According to the Independent, licensing issues may not be the only thing holding back iTunes Europe.

    The article claims that the five main record labels are become scared of Apple and it's success in the digital music arena. One source compares it to the rise of MTV:

  16. Freg3000 macrumors 68000


    Sep 22, 2002
    New York
    What? The record labels get over 50% of the money from the iTMS. They are actually getting paid....unlike music videos.

    I hate these morons, they don't get it. The alternative to the iTMS is not some other more record label friendly service where people pay outrageous prices for huge is Kazaa and illegal filing sharing.

    Their options are to take it or leave what Apple is offering them-and they best take it.
  17. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    this is ridiculous i mean seriously this is just stupid, if they use iTunes then they can sell more records, isnt that what they want?? But instead they are dragging their feet because they dont want it to end up like MTV? i dont understand how they give away their stuff to iTunes
  18. SiliconAddict macrumors 603


    Jun 19, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    And yet watch what happens when MS comes into the mix. They will be all over them. What a load of crap.
  19. appleface macrumors regular

    Dec 30, 2003
    West Texas
    can anyone back this up with inside info from a record company?
  20. bitfactory macrumors 6502


    Jul 22, 2002
    further confirmation on the suckage of record labels.
  21. musicpyrite macrumors 68000


    Jan 6, 2004
    Cape Cod

    Totally agree, just like billy boy wants to impose a 'tax' on email, some how M$ will profit from that.

    It will be a cold day in hell before I go along with that!
  22. croasmun macrumors newbie

    Jan 6, 2004
    Perhaps they are reading the MacRumors boards!?

    OK, not really, but isn't it a little freaky that dongmin just posted this in another forum:

  23. pennymonger macrumors newbie

    Apr 25, 2003
    State College, PA
    iTunes Dictator

    Does iTunes "dictate which stars or records succeed or fail by deciding which to promote on its site," as the articles states? :confused:
  24. deepkid macrumors regular


    Jul 22, 2002
    Yes and no

    I'm not so certain that this is the same. Back when MTV and the likes were showing videos, I don't believe that they were paying the record labels in order to do so. The labels and artists probably regarded the airplay free marketing.

    By contrast, speculation is that the labels are receiving the majority of revenues generated by online download music services today.

    It would be interesting to take a peek at the renewal agreement between iTMS and the major labels to see if some controls were put in place by the labels in an attempt to further their agenda. But what's even more interesting is that we have the likes of Steve Jobs who negotiated this renewal and the outcome might not be as lopsided as some suspect.
  25. MacDawg macrumors P6


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    File sharing nets them zero $$ and they sue their potential consumers

    ITMS brings in revenue and they are scared of it because of control (and in this case what control?)

    The record labels don't have a digital solution, which is clearly what many consumers want... and yet they want to force them to buy the CDs which many will not

    Will the artists eventually bypass the labels and go straight to the consumer digitally through an online distributor? Maybe that is their fear

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