Muslim bakers don’t want to make your gay ‘wedding’ cake, either

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    So either you allow no businesses to refuse service or you allow all businesses to.

    There is no middle. To be fair you either need to allow all privately owned businesses to refuse service to anyone or you need to make sure that none are able to. Religion or no religion, that's irrelevant to the decision. So either yes, they can deny service or no they can't.
     
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    I like how she puts scare quotes around every use of the word “wedding” and “marriage” in her article. We get it already. :rolleyes:

    Anyway, I feel the same way about them as I do about the Christian bakers. Makes no difference to me.
     
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    Count me in as pro sharia law.

    Sure I've advocated for secularism and complained about Christians trying to impose their religion on society, but fundamentalist Islam is really hot with the liberal crowd these days, so ... why not?

    At least they aren't Christians, right?

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    I would no more expect a muslim owned business to provide the service of baking a cake for a gay wedding, than I would expect them to make a bacon covered cake. Both are services I would not expect them to offer.
     
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    I think they should have to provide the service if Christian bakers to.
     
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    This bakery is wrong as well. When you own a business you can't refuse service to someone based on their religion or race. If you want to be bigoted then get out of the retail/service industry.
     
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    I agree with this post. However being a business owner, you also have the right to refuse any job as well. It does work both ways. I don’t agree with it, but it is what it is.
     
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    So muslims wont bake a cake and the anti-gay guy wont bake them a cake. And muslims are terrorist so.

    That must mean the anti-gay guys are terrorist.
     
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    State dependent discrimination laws. Next.
     
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    I'm not from US so there might be some culture difference. But why should people be able to refuse service depending on who the customer loves? Sounds really discriminating to me.
     
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    What if a business refused to serve black people? Would anyone be ok with that?
     
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    No. We have a federal civil rights act that prohibits that. Sexual orientation is not a protected class at the federal level. It is at the state level in certain states. Michigan is not one of these states.
     
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    They wouldn’t have the bacon to put on a cake.

    Just like you won’t find hunting gear in your average lingerie shop.

    A store is limited by their inventory and isn’t obligated to sell what they don’t carry.
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    So long as that denial isn’t based on the customer being from a protected class.
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    Because some people here are under the mistaken impression that while liberals are against religious oppression by Christian, we’re somehow a-okay with it coming from Muslims.

    It’s illogical. But that doesn’t stop some people from believing that nonsense. The principle of secularism applies to all religions. It really shouldn’t be that hard to figure out.
     
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    I'd be more interested to hear from the Christians who don't think a Christian baker should bake a cake for gays. Do they take the same stance?
     
  19. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    An Egual Rights Amendment could solve that problem.

    But who’s against that? Conservatives.
     
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    A cake is a cake is a cake.

    Any refusal is strictly bias on the part of the baker.

    Why are we still having this discussion?
     
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    Side issue: I never really understood why gays would want to go somewhere that begrudgingly bakes the cake for them. Why not find a business that actually wants to and support them with your business?
     
  22. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Because you don’t know that a baker is hostile to you until you walk through their door and request their service. It’s similar to how many blacks didn’t realize a hotel owner wouldn’t give them a room until they were standing at the front desk after a long, tiring drive on a rainy night.
     
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    Why should I have to go and seek out a bakery to get a cake bought? Obviously if a shop opening advertises they're homophobic I'm not going to go in, but why should I need to find someone who supports me to get a wedding cake?
     
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    Because you want those businesses to succeed vs supporting a bigoted one??
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    So do you place the order after they say they don't serve gays? I wouldn't.
     
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    I don't think it is a mistaken impression. And I am not singling you out here, but that is the feeling we get. It is ok to Christian bash, but imply a terrorist is muslim and you are the world's worst person.
     

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