Muslims forbidden to go to Mars?

iMacFarlane

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Found this while trying to answer a coworker's question regarding nuclear powered deep space probes:

In February 2014 the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment (GAIAE) issued a fatwa forbidding devout Muslims from participating as crew members in Mars One's proposed one way mission to Mars. Speaking for the clerical group, Dr Farooq Hamada explained that, "Protecting life against all possible dangers and keeping it safe is an issue agreed upon by all religions and is clearly stipulated in verse 4/29 of the Holy Quran: Do not kill yourselves or one another. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful."
Umm . . . What . . . ?

A few contradictions come to mind:
  • Jihad
  • Honor killings
  • Suicide bombings
  • Martyrdom

Surely the man quoted above is aware of the items in this list. Thoughts? :confused:
 

bradl

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While in jest, but bringing up a good question..

One issue I could see with Muslims heading to Mars would be how they would handle Ramadan. I mean, they're in space! When would the sun rise or set for them to observe the fast?

BL.
 

TheHateMachine

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Found this while trying to answer a coworker's question regarding nuclear powered deep space probes:



Umm . . . What . . . ?

A few contradictions come to mind:
  • Jihad
  • Honor killings
  • Suicide bombings
  • Martyrdom

Surely the man quoted above is aware of the items in this list. Thoughts? :confused:
Don't you know, when you are religious you can pick and choose which parts of your holy text you wish to follow.
 

Mousse

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Don't you know, when you are religious you can pick and choose which parts of your holy text you wish to follow.
Works for me. I'm Catholic, but I ignore a lot of Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus. Maybe I math is off, but I don't agree with the Bible stating that π = 3.:p 1 King 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2. Yeah, I ignore that part too.:D

If I followed EVERYTHING the Bible taught, I would have to stone the lot of you for one offense or another.:eek::eek:
 

bradl

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Works for me. I'm Catholic, but I ignore a lot of Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus. Maybe I math is off, but I don't agree with the Bible stating that π = 3.:p 1 King 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2. Yeah, I ignore that part too.:D

If I followed EVERYTHING the Bible taught, I would have to stone the lot of you for one offense or another.:eek::eek:
Well, I would not feel so all alone...

Eeeeeeeeeverybody must get stoned! :p:D

BL.
 

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I think the most challenging thing for a Muslim on Mars, or on the way to Mars, is which way to point one's prayer rug to be facing Mecca.
 

Sydde

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Clearly aft.
A flight to Mars would not travel in a straight line, "aft" would rather quickly be pointing hundreds of thousands to millions of miles away from Earth/Mecca, a Muslim might end up praying toward Aldebaran (which, admittedly, is an Arabic name). But, once on Mars, figuring out where Mecca is would be very challenging.
 

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True Islam does not condone suicide of any kind. There is a huge difference between extremists and real muslims.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html
Right, I know. But the extremists are extremists because they are taking their holy text word for word, in an extreme fashion. So right there in the text they use to justify all the killing, is a passage that expressly forbids it.

Look, I was raised catholic, became "born again" at 20, then slowly gave in to reality and fully embraced skepticism and the beauty of science just 2 years ago. I'm 46 now. I know the Christian bible very well, I've read the thing cover to cover about three times, and have plenty of hours of study logged to boot. It is totally rife with contradictions just like the above mentioned Quran passage. I'm used to the debates that christians and what we term "christian fundamentalists" bring to the table, very similar to the above schism between rational Islam and it's minority extremist elements. The story just really rung my bell as I read it, so I thought I'd get your views on it.
 

aerok

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Right, I know. But the extremists are extremists because they are taking their holy text word for word, in an extreme fashion. So right there in the text they use to justify all the killing, is a passage that expressly forbids it.

Look, I was raised catholic, became "born again" at 20, then slowly gave in to reality and fully embraced skepticism and the beauty of science just 2 years ago. I'm 46 now. I know the Christian bible very well, I've read the thing cover to cover about three times, and have plenty of hours of study logged to boot. It is totally rife with contradictions just like the above mentioned Quran passage. I'm used to the debates that christians and what we term "christian fundamentalists" bring to the table, very similar to the above schism between rational Islam and it's minority extremist elements. The story just really rung my bell as I read it, so I thought I'd get your views on it.
All religions have their contradictions, one of the main reason why I am atheist. The biggest problem with Islam are the hadit supposedly written by people that cannot lie. Yet again, there are contradictions between the different hadit.

My point was that Islam and the quran forbids all kind of self-inflicted harm so that said, the GAIAE is right when issuing this FATWA, there are just too many risks involved with this voyage.
 

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I think the most challenging thing for a Muslim on Mars, or on the way to Mars, is which way to point one's prayer rug to be facing Mecca.
Maybe religious leaders are afraid that people of faith going to space might strip them of their faith. Think about it, the major religions are all completely earth focused, this is a key sign that they were created by man alone. If they were indeed the word of god like the religious folks claim, wouldn't god talk about space a lot more since it's a subject he would know a lot about long before humans? The fact that "the heavens" are not often mentioned are a key sign that religious texts were written by primitive humans. When someone goes to space and sees everything with their own eyes and realized how tiny and insignificant their little earth based holy book is, it may cause them to question their faith. If god wrote the quaran, he should have anticipated humans eventually going to space and should have included instructions on how to pray to Mecca from anywhere in the universe. But he didn't.
 

aerok

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If god wrote the quaran, he should have anticipated humans eventually going to space and should have included instructions on how to pray to Mecca from anywhere in the universe. But he didn't.
Nah it was the prophet that wrote down every single words out of memory after an angel recited the whole scripture to him.

See how silly that sounds? :p
 

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If god wrote the quaran, he should have anticipated humans eventually going to space and should have included instructions on how to pray to Mecca from anywhere in the universe. But he didn't.
It's easy. Mecca's on Earth, so just point the rug towards it. If it's above or below you, just ignore the z-axis, and only worry about the general direction.

As far as I know, Islamic people don't have to pinpoint the exact location of Mecca relative to their position when they pray. They generalize it anyway, so doing the same thing on a universal scale won't be any different.
 

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Nah it was the prophet that wrote down every single words out of memory after an angel recited the whole scripture to him.

See how silly that sounds? :p
Actually, IIUC, Muhammad the profit never wrote down any words. The Quran is some apparently beautiful Arabic poetry that he barfed out like some kind of savant with Tourette's or something that was transcribed by others. The other stuff – sunnah, hadith and by extension shari'a – is biographical material (not autobiographical) written by people around him. By comparison, we only know of Socrates' words through Plato, and Jesus never lifted a quill or pencil either.
 

aerok

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Actually, IIUC, Muhammad the profit never wrote down any words. The Quran is some apparently beautiful Arabic poetry that he barfed out like some kind of savant with Tourette's or something that was transcribed by others. The other stuff – sunnah, hadith and by extension shari'a – is biographical material (not autobiographical) written by people around him. By comparison, we only know of Socrates' words through Plato, and Jesus never lifted a quill or pencil either.
Ah my bad.

As for Socrates and Plato, I'm sincere believer that Plato is the smart one but didn't want to take credit. :p
 

Mousse

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Women can't even drive in Saudi Arabia,
Women can't drive in the US either.:eek::p I kid, I kid.:eek: In all fairness most Americans can't drive.:(

Nothing against women drivers. I'm a pretty skilled driver, but I personally know half a dozen women whose skill far, far exceeds mine. One of them taught me how to drift.:cool:

and we are talking about spaceships?
Anyone remember Star Trek: Generations? The first time a woman (Lt Cdr Deanna Troi) pilots the Enterprise-D. Is my curly tail showing?:p:p:p
 

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Found this while trying to answer a coworker's question regarding nuclear powered deep space probes:



Umm . . . What . . . ?

A few contradictions come to mind:
  • Jihad
  • Honor killings
  • Suicide bombings
  • Martyrdom

Surely the man quoted above is aware of the items in this list. Thoughts? :confused:

Jihad isn't what you think it means.

Honour killings aren't Islamic.

Suicide bombings aren't Islamic.

Martyrdom isn't suicide.

HTH.