My 1st Family self portrait, white flash/sparkle in eyes Q

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  1. mtbdudex macrumors 68000

    mtbdudex

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    Late last fall, Nov-21-2009, I had the task of taking our 1st Family self portrait for Grandma/Grandpa Christmas gift. (not printed the pict yet, so gift is late)
    Doing that was quite interesting, I did a basic set-up in our backyard using simple natural background (tall grass), put 2 bar stools out there for the 3 kids to sit on, used tripod with self timer/remote, and my wife and I were in back of the kids.

    The kids got the sillies, dad got impatient at their not controlling their sillies, but we managed to get 1 sorta decent shot out of 10+ taken.

    I did some basic PP and was about to print it when the white backfill flash/sparkle in the eyes bothered me, so I PP it out manually pixel by pixel (this was before my Canon 580 EXII was ordered).

    I'm ready to print the 8 x 10 and the white flash/sparkle in eyes has me stymied, or maybe I'm overly anal and analyzing the photo too much.

    Here's my Q:
    Is white flash/sparkle in eyes acceptable for portraits or do photos studios edit them out?
    (or they don't show due to off camera flash?)

    White/sparkle eye from flash (clickable):
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    PP to remove the white/sparkle eye (clickable)
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    Just for fun, here is the shot I cropped from:
    (and that remote only works in line of sight, it's not RF!)
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    And some of the "sillies" shots:
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  2. Angelo95210 macrumors 6502a

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    Very nice picture !

    Personally I don't like that much to work on eyes, I think it makes them unnatural. But I am like you, I am not a pro. I think it's better to anticipate when taking the picture, with an anti red eye flash system + a 2nd flash.

    BTW your picture looks great and I would keep the first one. Yeah know you did an extensive work on the second but huh you asked didn't you ? :p
     
  3. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    The light in the eyes is a product of direct flash on the eyes and as far as I'm concerned it shouldn't be edited out.

    I love the shot but I wish the little girl got the memo about what to wear. ;)
     
  4. Edge100 macrumors 68000

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    Generally, catchlights in the eyes are desirable. The eyes are the focal point of any portrait, and the catchlights help them "pop".

    Leave them in.
     
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    exactly what i thought. i too am no pro, but i think the second picture with the flash reflection removed makes the eyed look unnatural, almost like the pupils are more dilated.

    i say the original is fine as you will only really notice the flash reflections if you look for them and nit pick... hey i would!
     
  7. THX1139 macrumors 68000

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    I shot professionally for 8 years. Trust me, you want the sparkle in the eyes. Good photographers go to great lengths to add those to brighten up and keep the eyes from being dead. I used to add fill flash so that I could open up the shadows and add the catch-lights to the eye. Don't edit them out unless they are red. Catch-lights good... red-eye bad.
     
  8. mtbdudex thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Thx very much, I'm "stuck" in a business mtg and just read this, very insightful.

    Thx all for your feedback, I'll keep the sparkle - catchlight - in the 8 x 10.
    Yea, I should have asked before doing the eye PP.

    I actually was concerned about red-eye, and did not know how to dial down the built in flash (I have since learned), I actually put scotch tape over the built in flash to try and diffuse it, so was happy at no red eye.
     
  9. miles01110 macrumors Core

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    Not bad, although I'd try to hide the remote a little more in the shots where you can see it.
     
  10. mtbdudex thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Ha, my wife had a green top picked out for her, but she complained about being cold outside so she put that colorful sweater on.....she's my independent 7 year old redhead!!
     
  11. madmaxmedia macrumors 68030

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    I might try splitting the difference and just bringing down the brightness of the sparkle a bit. Then it will look like reflections from natural light rather than a camera flash.

    If I had to choose one, I'd choose the unedited though.
     
  12. compuwar macrumors 601

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    The only change I'd make next time is to try to get the flash higher up, so it's more like a catchlight from the sun overhead, more on the iris than the pupil.
     

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