My 3 cents

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by lordonuthin, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. lordonuthin macrumors 6502

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    America is at a crossroads - about to be completely overtaken by corporate interests, there is too much apathy, too much hypocracy, too much secrecy, too many wealth hoarders, too many poor, we have sold our soul to China, and have no way to pay the interest on our debt let alone the principal, congress is too devided to get anything done, there is too much belief in superstition, too few science grads, too little rationality, it's too late to stop human induced global climate change. I'm just glad I have no children to inherit such a sorry place, future generations will hate us for the things we have done - leaving them with nothing but overpopulation, poison, ignorance and superstition.
     
  2. ryan0402 macrumors 6502

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    do not fear the anti christ is here and his name is Obama. :D Just wait you will all see in five years he will join with a muslim priest and kill all the christians. Mwahahahahaha:mad::mad::mad:
     
  3. crawfish963 macrumors 6502

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    I can't fear a being I don't believe in. I'm somewhat of an odd duck. I support almost everything that is liberal minus 2nd amendment issues. I believe that we could see a massive civil unrest/uprising in our lifetime and am preparing for this with tons of ammo.

    Yes, we're at a crossroads.
     
  4. lordonuthin thread starter macrumors 6502

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    My brother and boss both have loads of guns and ammo, if I was afraid of death I might be afraid of them... but yes I think as things get worse we will see an uprising and I guess if the right has all the guns and ammo that would be a real problem. The next big war will be a civil war in the good ol' us of a.
     
  5. Queso macrumors G4

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    The USA and Americans just need to realise that their era of dominance is now at an end. Don't make the mistake of trying to maintain something that has passed at great expense, it's not going to last. Act now, pull in the reins, cut the armed forces budget to something sensible to defend your own borders and territories, and live with the fact that you may have to pay more taxes for a while whilst the government re-organises itself and updates the neglected domestic infrastructure.

    Sounds familiar to Brits that does.
     
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    Red or Blue?
     
  8. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    I think you've been watching too much cable news. We are no where near an uprising.
     
  9. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    In order for that to happen, people would have to turn off their televisions and get off the couch.
     
  10. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I don't think we're apathetic.

    We sure aren't around here.


    I doubt that people don't care.

    I think they are overwhelmed by the scale and complexity of things.

    But inside... they care.
     
  11. Synchromesh macrumors 6502a

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    +1. Please, take a nice white pill. It's not all as bad as it seems and having some sleep and stopping reading idiotic newspapers should cure a lot of what you have, OP.
     
  12. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    The problem is a matter of perspective. We want to keep our Escalades and our 427 channels of insipid "entertainment" (we can watch 4 at once) and our bigmacs and so forth. We want things made better so that they can stay the same. That just ain't gonna happen.
     
  13. lordonuthin thread starter macrumors 6502

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    That makes a lot of sense.

    Not soon but at some point down the road.

    Actually I don't own a tv and don't watch cable news, I get all of my news from the local paper and the internet. Hopefully I am completely wrong, I try to be open minded after all.

    I guess that is more like it, I certainly care as do many but we are unable to see anything getting done to, for instance, make government more transparent.

    Lol.
     
  14. 184550 Guest

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    Good thing you're the 'lord-o-nuthin'.

    Or would have to power down their computers.
     
  15. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Corporate takeover of government? Well, yeah, but it's pretty much limited to the giant investment bank claque which is typified by GoldmanSucks plus a few others. ADM comes to mind, courtesy the Greens and the love affair with gasahol. Face it, billions in campaign funds buys a lot of face time inside the Beltway. But the same people have been running our monetary show even since before the bi-partisan effort that got rid of Glass-Steagall. Party doesn't matter, and I guarawn-dang-tee you that this hopey-changey stuff is so much BS.

    Queso, there's not enough untaxed money available to solve our problems without deep, deep cuts. "Bringing the boys home" is nowhere near enough of a cut. We're too obligated into social spending: "Entitlements".

    Raise taxes? That slows down the economy, which means more layoffs. It also means less investment capital available, which means fewer hires.

    No way the government can reorganize itself without a complete change in the belief systems of the elected people and the higher-level bureaucrats. After all, they are the ones who created the present economic meltdown. How, then, could they possibly be the ones to fix any damned thing? Lordy, we'd do better by throwing darts at phone books, as far as picking Congresscritters.

    But, we had sixty years worth of one helluva party, here in the US and generally in the Eurozone. The problem with Saturday night sprees is that they are always followed by Sunday morning--and it's coming-down time.

    But don't worry. Helicopter Ben will drop all those hundred-dollar bills on you--even if they won't buy much of anything.
     
  16. Queso macrumors G4

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    That's true, although I have faith that the Eurozone as a whole will bounce back very quickly compared to the US. Germany is powering ahead with its recovery already, all it needs is France to pick up pace and they'll drag the likes of Spain up with them (increased tourism, German nationals buying holiday homes kickstarting construction etc.). This summer has exposed those that falsified their accounts in order to attain Euro membership. They can't hide their problems away and hope for the best now. So whilst Greece is in for one very tough time (even with increased tourism etc.) the EU will stabilise and be fiscally much stronger than it was. Short term pain for long term gain if you will.

    The problem with the USA is that you don't currently have the equivalent of Germany in there, living well within its means and generating economic growth with an export-led economy. There's also nobody willing to deal with the debt and bring government spending back in line with taxation receipts. It's difficult to see where the fixers are on your side of the Pond.
     
  17. Mackan macrumors 65816

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    You nailed it. I don't think the future is too bright for the U.S. Mismanaged your country way too long. China is helping you as long as it is an advantage to them. When their domestic market engine goes full gear, you are likely left in the mud.
     
  18. lordonuthin thread starter macrumors 6502

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    But with an opinion!
     
  19. lordonuthin thread starter macrumors 6502

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    You are right on that point everyone feels entitled to something.
     
  20. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Queso, yeah, Germany is going great guns with manufacturing and export. Trouble is, they've loaned hundreds of billions of Euros into the bad-risk countries. Same for France's loans. Greece and Spain seem likely to default on payments, particularly Greece. You wind up with a domino effect.

    Note that Moody's just down-rated Ireland's AAA rating.

    Basically, the commodity-exporting countries plus China and India are the healthy folks--and they're generally growing. The US, Mexico and the Eurozone are in overall decline.

    Suggested reading: "This Time Is Different". The historical numbers for fiscal failure of governments do not bode well for us. Too much debt, both public and private--and it's getting worse.
     
  21. awmazz macrumors 65816

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    Maybe so, there were no uprisings in the UK when the British Empire waned. Ditto Turkey and Spain when the Hapsburg and Ottoman Empires waned. Even the USSR (apart from Chechnya). But all great empires break apart when they lose the money and power to hold all their parts together under a central government. Will we one day see a Californination? The Republic of Florida? Texaco? The Southern States of America? The restoration of the Kingdom of Hawaii? A landlocked Utah setting itself up as a Mormon Switzerland? What would you call the country in the northeast, encompassing Chicago and New York... Liberal Elitia... fascinating possibilities. ;)
     
  22. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Queso, another tidbit for your enjoyment: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...iss-franc-as-Europes-bond-strains-return.html

    Young Ambrose is one of the brighter stars in the heavens. He notices little things like, "Morgan Stanley said investors are taking a risk buying sovereign bonds at this level, arguing that debt-to-GDP ratios in the developed world greatly understate the true liabilities and aging costs that threat public finances. "It’s not whether governments will default, but how, and vis-a-vis whom," said Arnaud Mares in a client report."

    awmazz, I imagine that in order to avoid secession and breakup, the folks in WashDC will promulgate even more harsh and repressive laws than are now in place. Whether or not they'd work is another story. At some point, the will of the people overcomes the repression of a bankrupt regime, as we saw with the demise of the USSR.
     
  23. Queso macrumors G4

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    Whilst I don't dispute anything in that article the relative size of the economies in question does make the impact of any likely default vary quite massively. The biggest threat of default by a long way still comes from Greece. Ireland and Portugal combined don't have anywhere near as much debt as Greece alone does and as % of GDP they are each much less exposed, which of course lessens the exposure to the rest of Europe. The Greek disease still has to be cured, but it's not as contagious as initially feared.

    I also don't rate Spain as now being in any immediate danger, due to government austerity measures, a very low comparative debt/GDP ratio and its large foreign currency reserves. Parts of that country are now coming back into economic growth too, helped by the ongoing recovery in northern Europe.

    Of course there are still risks, but markets and those that play them will always overreact to any rumours or movements since as you know they are based entirely on speculation. Stability is finally returning, and if the Greek problem can be resolved in a way that avoids a default we should see the next few years through without too much drama.
     
  24. tflournoy95 macrumors 6502

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    an uprising/revolution or whatever you want to call it would be futile in modern times.

    you see how fast simple riots get put down right? now imagine if all those people had AR-15s but then the military came in with tanks and fighter jets? resistance is futile. the only way to change things nowadays is through politics.

    my guess is it will come down to what happens this november. if conservatives gain the majority and stop all the insane spending and socialist/communist policies, things might start to get better. but if the liberals (miraculously) stay and we continue the practices of making money we cant back up, and spending money we dont have, and stuff like that we will continue in the death spiral we are in and we will turn into the old soviet union within a few years.
    and (i hope) we all know that that wont turn out too well.
     
  25. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Have you been asleep for the last 9 years? "Conservatives" tell you what you want to hear and spend your money anyway. Bush/Cheney took your cash and gave it to Halliburton under the guise of nation building Iraq, then excused the rich from paying for it with tax cuts.

    Things will not get better until we get ourselves out of foreign countries, and start paying our bills. "Liberals" are your best bet. The last fiscally responsible president we had was Bill Clinton, a "liberal". Look past the labels and start dealing with reality. The absolute lack of hindsight in this country amazes me.

    What puzzles me even more is that no one seems to know what socialism is.
     

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